The Bobcats lost some $18M last year. I can see why they want to dump salary long term. It doesn't very little for them the next two years. I have a feeling Devin Brown may be added to even things out a little more.
The Bobcats lost some $18M last year. I can see why they want to dump salary long term. It doesn't very little for them the next two years. I have a feeling Devin Brown may be added to even things out a little more.
If this goes down, I don't want to hear anyone complaining about Bower ANYMORE! This is grand larceny!
Emeka scored 28 points and had 9 rebounds in a game against the Clippers last year. All things being equal, can you imagine TC scoring 28 points under ANY circumstances AT ALL??????
Hornets need more strength underneath on both ends. This would be unbelievable.
Don't get me wrong, I really like this deal if it goes through. But, it's not going to suddenly elevate us to title contenders. Now, if Julian Wright can step up, along with elevated bench play led by the rooks, then we could have a nice little squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
You've repeated this sentiment all offseason and argued with everyone who would disagree with you about it. When will you concede the fact that the Hornets are not trying to dump salary. They want to improve and Chandler was no longer part of those plans after the many faults of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Oh trust me...Okafor is a great guy! He's definitely one of the many NBA players that give back to the community
2007-2008 G 82 GP 82Quote:
Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet
2008-2009 G 82 GS 81
We're good..he's turned into War-Machine! :D :hihi:
i heard bobby hebert (i know this isnt a great source) on the radio today saying the hornets are still talking to Big Baby, what do yall think this trade means in terms to our interest in him or maybe Hakeem Warrick?
Chandler can dunk better.
Before everyone gets carried away, check out Okafor's Roland Rating compared to Tyson's.
Okafor - +3.5
Chandler - +2.1
82.games.com
Now keep in mind, the highest on Charlotte's entire team is only 6 for Wallace while Paul had something insane like 17.
In 2007-2008, before being injured Chandler was a 3.1 and Okafor was a 0.
It's not nearly as one-sided as it appears.
The reason it's a good deal is not that the talent is so much different, it's that you either way you are paying one of these guys big money and the Hornets think Chandler is tainted goods, then go with the guy that still has a little more upside because he's never played on a winner with a great PG.
Good trade. If Okafor gets half the bump that Chandler did by playing with Paul, this will be a fantastic deal. If both were totally healthy, it's very debatable over who is better imo.
Bingo. The fact that he's played all 82 games the past two seasons is as important to me as anything else. Whether it's been BD, Mashburn, Tyson, Peja, etc., our high-salary guys ALWAYS seem to end up sidelined. Having a bigtime contributor who can also stay healthy would be golden.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet
Boo-yah! Shinn said we wouldn't make any trades that would hurt the team to shed payroll. Some people just like to talk and not listen(or in this instance, read)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
I think you must have me mistaken for someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
If the Hornets can still somehow get Big Baby, this will be a great off season. I say this is as a huge critic and hater of Shinn/Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjk481
But I will give credit where it's due.
the hornets don't need big baby or to overpay for him. a high reward value contract would help just as much.
Past 2 seasons, full 82 games. I suppose that's one of the key points when the front office was discussing the pros and cons of the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet
Didn't you say that you wouldn't be surprised if we traded paul b/c of our cheap owner? I remember you saying that you would rather start a team with carmelo than paul as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
I may. And if I do, I apologize. To be honest, it can be taken as a general statement to the other 50% of the board who insist on listening to the talking heads of ESPN instead of believing the ownership and management when they say that they will make moves to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
To be fair though, I'd rather believe ESPN than Bower or Shinn
While our frontcourt would be pretty undersized, I think our team would have quality depth for the first time in a while. That would be great, and something that Scott and Co. have repeated over and over as their main mission this offseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by ULsaint
Trading for Okafor also means we can sign a smaller big in free agency, not someone like a Mikki Moore who can play PF/C.Quote:
Originally Posted by geaux hornets
And again, you'd be wrong. They said that they would keep the pick, even though ESPN speculated that they'd trade the pick. Bower was right, and ESPN was wrong. Not only that, we traded for another pick for Thornton. They don't have any "in's" with the Hornets. Hell, the local guys barely do. They always speculate because they don't know and can't find out. Again, egg on their face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
I would love to get Warrick and Joe Smith with the MLE/Bi-Annual.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
I'm still a little undecided but I think I like it.
Chandler's foot is garbage. It's a chronic condition. They'd have to pay him for the next two years and probably wouldn't get much production in return. With Okafor, they take on more money over more years, but they get a guy who will likely be more productive. They're going to get plenty of cap space in two years when Peja, Mo Pete, etc. are gone so I guess they figure try to unload Chandler and get quality back for him now. The only issue I have is that I know Okafor struggled with injuries once upon a time.
All in all, it definitely makes the Hornets better in the short term. We'll see what it does over the long term...
If we add Warrick on top of this I'll do a backflip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Smith is now a possibility considering that we could realistically compete for the West next year. Before today, the Hornets were not thought of as contenders, something that would have been unattractive ot Smith.
If TC were healthy, I seriously, seriously doubt we'd be trying to deal him. His downside remained a lack of offensive game. He tried to show us something early last year, but all he did was clank the rim when he shot the ball from beyond 3'. :( Even with that downside, I don't think the Hornets would be trying to move him IF he were healthy. The Hornets believe that he is not healthy enough for the long-term prospect. Are they right? I don't know, but they certainly are acting like they are convinced that their opinion on TC's prognosis is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ULsaint
Now give me Warrick and call me a stuffed cat!
i agree, just saying overpaying for glen davis so that boston wouldn't match wouldn't be productive. if they could get warrick for something fair who would be a change of pace from david west with his athleticism or a banger who would play inside the paint area which also would be another change of pace from dwest would help.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
DX/Okafor/Warrick or Diogu is a pretty nice frontline.
I like the idea of Okafur, West, & Wright in the front court. Now having made this move could we trade Daniels for a backup big? or just sign Warrick or Joe Smith and we have a good little team for next year.
CP3/Collison
Butler/Thornton
Wright/Posey
West/Warrick or Smith
Okafur/Armstrong
Devin Brown, Mo Pete, Sean Marks, and Antonio Daniels sounds like a nice roster to me.
you forgot about peja banjoman! i think he'll be valuable off the bench next year.
Saying we don't give up JuJu and we add WarrickQuote:
Originally Posted by geaux hornets
Collison
Thornton
JuJu
Warrick
Armstrong
**With Chris Paul on the sidelines coaching and Byron Scott tied up with an apple in his mouth - like a cooked pig, hanging from the top of the NO arena!!!! :hihi:
How could we afford Smith or Warrick considering the team is already over the luxury tax. The only way we could afford one of them if we dump Peterson or Daniels contract on someone else.
I think they call it the Mid Level Exception and the Bi-Annual Exception. The Lakers were over the luxury tax too when they signed Artest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
MLEQuote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
If you haven't already seen my trade proposal I said...Quote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Hornets send:
Chandler
Butler
Peterson
Bobcats send
Okafor
Mohammed
Bell
How soon should be fire Bower? :hihi:
interesting. i'd like to see how this turns out.
Bower :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
Considering it seems to be a straight swap between Chandler and Okafor, I don't see how the team would be sending over Peterson or ButlerQuote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
I want this deal completed already...its halting any further progress in my day...I cannot leave my pc!
What if Chandler doesn't pass the physical? :confused:
Holy effing crap ... I wasn't on the internets for a couple of hours and just read the headline on ESPN. If that were to go down, I'd open a shrine for Bower and worship him every day.
Please for the love of everything thats holy ... let it happen!
I could definitely see a smaller part, i.e., Daniels being included for someone like MohammedQuote:
Originally Posted by Napoleon Solo
Charlotte will "PASS" it...I'm 95% sure we can "count" on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by tbo
I'm excited for this.
Me too. Very interesting. If we could get rid of Brown and MoPete somehow with this trade, I'd be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornetlove
I'm gonna have to rescind my Kangaroo Court front office line cuz of this.
Though I probably don't have to since it didn't make any sense anyway.
x2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet