i hate it when people try to predict the future, just chill out watch the games and lets see what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
i hate it when people try to predict the future, just chill out watch the games and lets see what happensQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
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Originally Posted by ChrispaulCP3
ok... but you said "Wilcox better be able to jump."... what am I missing? :confused:
never mind...
when wilcox gets 28 or more minutes he averages around 14 pts and 8 rebs. Joe smith last year for cleveland avg. 21 minutes and got 8.1 pts and 5 rebs a game. Not sure how thats not good. That is just as good as chandler is giving us.
In terms of a deal that would give us basketball help, financial slack, and a willing partner? Yeah pretty much. Right now anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
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Originally Posted by stbviper22
because they weren't here last season, hence they can't help us get further is the vibe I am picking up.
Dont worry hes been repeating the same thing for about 3 hours now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmaninc68
BTW, he has his crystal ball in his back pocket. :D
Take a look at the situation, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmaninc68
Joe Smith is pretty much a contract at this point, and will either retire or go to a contender in the offseason.
Wilcox is a solid PF/C who's value will be jacked up this offseason, likely out of our price range.
This is precisely why we wanted a pick.
No, I have facts and common sense, this trade sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
I just wish we had gotten a pick as well, but this isn't horrible value for Tyson.
For all the people who like Chandler. Can you Honestly say that his play this year is worth 11 million? He is not ranked in the top 20 Centers in production and is only posting 8 and 8. Stop with the "he provides defensive presence" when his defensive rating is the same as Hilton Armstrong's'.
I'm not arguing the impact right now, I'm saying this trade will hurt us most going into next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
i didnt say that this trade didnt suck, but that doesnt mean what you are saying is 100% going to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Moving heaven and hell to get a team is one thing ... somehow making Shinn a richer owner is another, and relocation is not going to improve Shinn's bottom line. Right now Shinn has one of the wealthiest minority owners in the league working under him, yet we still had to make a trade to get under the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
I do understand your point but this deal wasn't done to keep the franchise in New Orleans or to somehow keep them from relocating.
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Originally Posted by jmaninc68
I'd say it is. ;)
Which means what? And it was San Antonio's pick that was on the table. It's still guaranteed salary for a term.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
well then your common sense is screwed upQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Okay wilcox could find out that he likes it here and wants to stay for about the same contract? or no that cant happen because you said so right? Joe smith also, he might even sign for the vet min. if he feels good here. Dude you never know. Things happen, we could also make other trades to get cap room to re-sign them also.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
The salaries that will be shed from Bowen, Marks, Brown, and Ely(?) would have been enough to cover for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
I really wish they would have waited until the offseason. I wanted to see what this team could do in the playoffs with Posey. Now, we will never know
when you consider we gained nothing for him, it will seem that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by DSchexnaydre
Not many players are worth a dollar for dollar fine. LeBron is. Chris Paul might be. Chandler isn't. If we stood at $77M in salary on what would have been a $60M cap (if teams are lucky), we couldn't afford to pay that tax. Not many teams can afford to pay $17M in luxury taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYKF Hornet
why would the hornets offer them contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
this deal was made to SAVE money, not spend the same amount next year
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Originally Posted by stbviper22
Look at bigs available in the offseason, Wilcox is easily in the top.
His value will easily exceed the MLE.
Smith is in the twilight of his carerr, he's going to retire or go to a title contender. He won't have any interest in just a playoff contender.
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Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
Are you serious? This dude is still hella injury prone.
How do you figure? It's not like they were making more than the minimum. Even if we replace them with other minimum guys, the value will be the same. We have to fill out the roster somehow. But if we're able to acquire better players, we can fill out the last few spots with second round picks and undrafted free agents.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Is that a joke? Are you suggesting the NBA would do something to allow CP3 to win a title here? That's crazy talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
it's not a fine, it's a taxQuote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
and technically, cp3 is why we'd be over the luxury tax (his salary raises about $10M next year). posey is also a reason why
The luxury tax isnt the salary cap. Luxury tax isat about 72 milllion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
so you think having a low end rookie contract would sink the Hornets? are you really trying to debate this?
we sell chandler to save $10M and can't afford to take on $1MQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
makes sense
Because we didnt need to cut 11 mil to stay out of the luxury, all we needed to cut was around 5 mil or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornetHaven
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Originally Posted by HornetHaven
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add in a 1st round draft pick and that's $4MQuote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
wilcox can get a MLE deal somewhere else for more than that
this trade goes beyond staying under the luxury tax. this trade was made to save a lot of money. some of the saving is no luxury tax payments. most is pure salary
I think some of us forget about "team defense." OK, so what if Wilcox is a defensive beast, neither was Chandler this year. That why other players pick up the slack and play team defense. That includes hustling for rebounds, helping out miss-matches, contesting shots etc. I forgot what else I as going to say here....erk
And who with a $5M salary could we have scrapped? And if we were up against the cap and the cap went down, like it looks like it will, how brilliant is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
Point taken. Either way, how else would we have gotten under that threshold?Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
Once again more guessing. You cant just guess where players will go. Wilcox might like it here and want to stay for cheap. Him and smith may give us a boost in the playoffs and we go to the conference finals, you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornetHaven
we're already above the salary capQuote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
kwame brown got $4M last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
you think wilcox is going to play for the vet min to stay in nola? seriously?
Cause the NBA doesn't want certain players to be on a bigger stage...okay... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
not signed james poseyQuote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Watch the games and not a simulator. Chandler's defensive presence is his value, not the difference between 8 and 12 points a game. Hilton is not a defensive presence because he gets manhandled and is lazy. Wilcox is a decent offensive presence, but not a defender as he gets pushed around as well. So, if you are asking me would I rather have Chandler or Wilcox/Smith, it is a definitive yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by kidjock
What a crap sports day. First, Deuce is cut, now this... Chandler was definitely not contributing the way he was last year and two years ago. But geez....Chris Wilcox??? This sucks. Money dump. Pure and simple.
Kuddos for the optimism dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
Or basically, not signed anybody, right? Would a better player for the MLE have made a difference cap wise? Or should we have stood pat with the team we had last year? No improvement? Please, enlighten me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornetHaven
People still haven't realized we will be left with Devon Hardin and some cap space form this trade.
People keep confusing the cap and the luxury tax. The luxury tax limit is around $71 million and we would have been about $76 million. That is a $5 million penalty (still nothing to sneeze at).Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Are we a better team with Posey and not Chandler? I would take Chandler over Posey 10 days out of 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
You're right, a few times. My bad on confusing it, but you're also right...$5M is nothing to sneeze at. In this economy, $5M is real money. Rich teams like the Redskins are laying people off. It's a different day.Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
Wow! That speaks volumes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A