I sent the hornets woman an e-mail about this. I guess we will see what they say. I will post as soon as I get a response.
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I sent the hornets woman an e-mail about this. I guess we will see what they say. I will post as soon as I get a response.
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They are in major damage control mode right now. Expect something cheesey and ambiguous. Lip service.
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Yea, That's what I expect. I expressly asked if she had a boilerplate response to the story or even a sincere respnse maybe. I wonder how she'll take that.
That IS true. Mick Cornett pestered the NHL and the NBA long enough that he finally made a dent. I also tend to wonder if "outstanding attendance" has to do with the way tickets were priced here. It IS interesting to note that the REAL top-dog Oklahoma sports -- OU and OSU -- don't seem to have had their attendance affected by the Hornets on conflicting nights. I do still think maybe as early as next season, with 35 here and 6 in NOLA, that the honeymoon will be over.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYKF Hornet
I don't think the Hornets ever wanted for talent. I'm still convinced one of the big reasons the team went 18-64 last season, in addition to injuries and maybe a questionable attitude (Baron Davis) around, that that record was also a product of the divisional realignment, which to me rendered the Hornets like unto a bantamweight getting into the ring with Mike Tyson.Quote:
You are part right, I feel a lot of it has to do with the outstanding play of the hornets which is part of the entire "honeymoon" phase . . . but I assume it was crystal clear to all okies that if they wanted pro sports in the future they were going to have to support the hornets like they are right now.
Now that the okies have proven that they can indeed support a pro team I do not assume any of them would agree with my outlook though. But I do rememeber when the Hornets first got there and okies were coming here everyday to let us know they were going to do everything in their power to prove to all the pro leagues they could do it (by attending games in high numbers) . . . now they are cocky and saying they should have had pro sports all along, that the hornets should be in okc, and that they were never under any kind of test or that the test is the reason for their high attendance.
The funny thing is, NYKF, I've come to realize that having a major professional team in OKC doesn't necessarily bring some attitudes in OK into the 21st Century, either. To frame it a different way, in my view some people believe the rest of us will quit griping about the tattoo ban and watered-down 3.2 beer and this and that because they fixed it so OK would have a major pro sports team to rally around. It doesn't work that way.
My objections to keeping the Hornets stem from the fact that the whole thing would be tainted by A) A crooked owner who isn't what he seems; and B) The fact that the team would have been "stolen" from another city at a time when that city has already lost a lot.
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Originally Posted by giggles
That stuff isn't even remotely related. While I'm sure I'm on the same side of the equation as you on this in regards to what should be done about those things, surely you don't really believe that these things are one and the same.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!...............thats all I have to say. I never knew shyte rolled up-hill. I thought it worked that he gives good PR and sneaks under the surface, instead he did NOLA a favor by revealing the evil plot and now screwed himself into doing the right thing just to save face as a human being.
This is unbelievable, I dont even live in NOLA and im ****ed off to a point of outright protest. This folks is what ruins sports............greedy cockroach Owners.......Im so sorry for you guys I really wish I could be down there to throw eggs at this j**k-offs limo when they come back to NOLA...........
My question is how retarded do you have to be to say something like that where there is obvious ears and eyes to witness his verbal diarreah.........he had to be drunk or have a IQ of 12.
On a flip side this exposes the jerk for what he is and for really who he is. This will not pass without consequence.........he will not get away with this.......I am so sick and tired of scum like this controlling aspects of decsent peoples live's........
just saw the actual times picayune...this made the front page of the PAPER(not just sports section)...nice work George
The NOLA media needs to start putting BIG TIME pressure on this organization. It is slowly starting to unfold....:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:
I have read a lot of reasons as to why Cornett and OKC wanted a pro franchise. But none of it made since until Giggles cleared it up for me...tattoos and 3.2 beer.
Maybe this whole Florida Marlins talk that was going around last week was to keep us from thinking about the dangerous roads and bridges the state has ignored for too many years.
Back to the subject at hand, Shinn was just giving a speech to what he thought was only OKC businessmen. The very people he will depend on for sponsorship next season. I would take it as no more than what he, Shinn, and the NBA have been doing all along....saying what each city wants to hear.
I guarantee that if he had nothing but NOLA businessmen in the room that same thing would have been said, but in NO's favor.
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Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
I'm not buying it. Too many things are adding up - they all can't be just "coincidences." And I don't think he was giving a speech.
I would have gone along with you on this and just written it off. But, in the past week I've come to the conclusion that regardless of what Shinn says, his desire and efforts are single in purpose. More shall be revealed. If not, Shinn is sure to step in crap again. Thats why he has those boots afterall. :wavey:Quote:
Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
I thought the main reason they had to return was indeed the binding lease until 2012. The only issue was that Shinn is TRYING to wiggle out of it. Stern won't allow it (from what I have gathered from HR.com).Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
I don't have inside info but I would bet it has something to do with future contracts down the road (as well as current contracts). If teams do not have to honor contracts why should cities build arenas and hand out free rent? This is not just dealing with New Orleans but every city on the NBA map . . . even OKC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killuminati
Would okc people be willing to give free rent, concessions, and other "sports" welfare to a pro owner KNOWING that owner can leave whenever he finds a better deal or another city presents a better deal?
because they are the NEW ORLEANS Hornets..............that works damn good enough for me..............remember the fact that OKC is only a temporary home........period...
If I am told by one of my friends to take his dog for a month while he goes away on vacation I give it back to him when he returns not tell him the dog is mine now...........that puts it in a simple yet understandable analogy for simpleton folk
Was something said on the 5 o clock news?? I'm confused.
WOW! What a fu**ing idiot. I really feel sorry for you guys. I can't say that I'm shocked by his behavior though. I know alot of you guys feel betrayed, as I did a few years ago. We got the Hornets when I was 10 and I loved the team so much and it really hurt when they left but, it would just never have worked in this market after all the lies and hard feelings that resulted from Shinn's constant idiotic actions. I'm guessing that it's going to get to the point where it's unworkable there aswell and that sucks for you guys.......
The city of Charlotte has been blessed to have the wonderful ownership group we have now. The Bobcats just slashed season ticket prices in an effort to win back more fans(even thoug hattendance is up 13% over last season) I've never seen a owner do that kind of thing, I'm used to tickets going up not getting cut by 33%.
The Bobcats are still suffering from the damage that George Shinn did to this market- I hope that New Orleans can keep the Hornets and get a new ownership group but, If Shinn wouldn't take Bob Johnson's 300 million dollar check 3 years ago, I don't know if he will ever sell.
Good Luck fellas- I mean that sincerley
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Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
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I second the notion....................:wavey:
Whats goin on here? I feel something in the air....Just doesn't feel right. I think we are real close to everything getting pretty ugly...
I have a feeling we will hear NOTHING from the Hornets or anyone. I get the feeling that this topic will not leave this message board or New Orleans media. :(
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Was anything on the 5:00 news?
Already ugly, no pretty about it. Anything short of an outright apology and a faithful promise to return will be nothing but lip service and a hollow appeasement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ry4598
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Originally Posted by scottplum
No they are not one and the same, but perhaps a distraction from other things, like the asinine morality laws AND bad roads/bridges was what I was trying to get at. And I admit I was being a little bit facetious.Quote:
Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
There's still a ways to go towards, how do I put this, say, changing OKC's image from a backwards thinking hick place to the modern, clean 21st Century city that it actually is, I'm just saying that having a major professional sports team doesn't mean *instant* credibility towards that. To explain this would require me to go WAY off topic and I don't care to do that here.
That cannot be ruled out either. And I've not been impressed with Shinn throughout all this. He's dodgy and so oily he leaves a slick. A friend and I were talking about this and she said "Sooner or later, he's going to let his mouth write a check his butt can't cash." He appears to have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
HH, iedmunds, WCH, alon54, etc: What's the story? Did Shinn just have a drink & run his mouth, or is this a real threat? Stern's been too committal to stand us up now. I don't want the ASG w/out the Hornets. Make us feel better, please.
Patience my man, patience. Bad deeds catch up with people. Give it a little time. MUCH more will be exposed. Either Shinn will do it on his own (yes, he's that dumb) or another TP type story (or fifty) will pop up! ;)
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Stern's stance is driven by his desire to see Shinn sell the team. It's his way of telling Shinn you'll go home or sell. Just like Benson and Tags. Remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by carl
I tend to agree with this. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
Go look at the contract Shinn has with OKC. It is NOT guaranteed next year. It is guaranteed this year. Next year, he will depend on OKC Corporations keeping him afloat. The Hornets are afraid they will lose money. The only way they don't lose money is to keep those in OKC believing the Hornets will remain there.
What Shinn and the Hornets under-estimate is the resolve of New Orleanians in looking out for the hometown and bringing the city back.
This is what happens when you talk out of two sides of your mouth. It's ashame it went this way. Shinn should have just negotiated a guaranteed 2nd year from OKC if the Hornets exercised the option to return. Then he should have sold this purely as OKC's audition for big-league sports. He never should have changed the name of the team, thus infuriating the New Orleans base. Well, he did what he did and now he has to lie in the sh*t that has been created.
That still doesn't make his comments right. Not when you're only supposed to be temporarily staying in OKC and NOLA is still your permanent home - unless of course, you have ulterior motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by New Hornets Fan
There is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. So one way or another, he's lying to one group.....
But then again, NOLA is the team's permanent home, so I would expect him to say such things here - or has that changed in Shinn's mind. :huh:Quote:
I guarantee that if he had nothing but NOLA businessmen in the room that same thing would have been said, but in NO's favor.
I understand that it's similar to Tags/Benson situation, but aren't you afraid that Shinn will fold & sell? HH, you yourself wrote that NO's out of the NBA business if Shinn sells. I don't feel very comfortable w/ Shinn's ownership as the only chance NO keeps the team. However, you seem very secure that we'll have them long-term (barring disaster, etc) despite all of that & that's why I'm lost.
Stern won't reward Shinn with the OKC market. That's been my feeling since the begining. The relo from CLT to NOLA was nasty at the league office. Stern will make Shinn return to NOLA, even if it is not as glitzy as the way Tags did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by carl
Because Shinn's main money maker is his NBA team . . . much like our other genius sports owner.
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So Stern's 'sort of' on our side, w/ strings attached? Do you figure that he knows Shinn won't sell, therefore Stern gets 'kind of' gets what he wants either way (Shinn sells, or team's back in NO - but NOT Shinn in OKC)?
While not as knowledgeable about the situation as others, I can speculate and extrapolate.Quote:
Originally Posted by carl
If you believe that: 1) The NBA feels they landed on a pot o' gold in OKC and 2) Shinn's organization has managed to screw up every hometown they been in, then there's no way the NBA "rewards" Shinn with OKC. They'd be afraid he kills THAT golden goose as well.
Bingo. Plus he gets to use OKC when negotiating with all of the cities whose teams are suddenly not happy. There is a reason the Blazers, Sonics, etc. are coming out like they are. They are positioning themselves to use OKC as leverage. They know that Shinn has refused to sell and will return to New Orleans if thats what Stern demands he does. This leaves OKC "open" to those teams. They are going to jump on it for leverage sake if nothing else. If George wants to continue as majority owner, he has no choice but to come back and ride out the lease. Kind of makes sense why he's talking about OKC and beyond the lease right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by carl
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So the possibilities are:
1. Shinn, who doesn't want to be here, is forced back to a city he's just kicked in the groin; or
2. Shinn, under pressure, sells to someone who has Stern's approval (that Shinn doesn't have) to move to OKC or elsewhere.
I can think of a number of places that I'd like to shove the 3 pack of tickets I've bought.
When any of us are talking about having the team back here in '07, we're not talking about the long term, meaning 2010, 15, 20 and beyond, we're talking about being back here for the period of the team's lease of the arena. Beyond that, Lord only knows the way things are right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by carl
Pretty much so. BUT, if the go the 2nd route, they have to negotiate a lease settlement (which would be a lot more than the 10M they could buy out after 2012). Plus, now other teams are counting on having OKC as a bargaining chip against their cities. Now that Stern has taken the the stance against George being able to keep the team there, the other teams are lining up so they can gain the position of leverage they seek. It's not as clean as it would have been had George agreed to sell while they were pressuring him. :wavey:Quote:
Originally Posted by patronius
I'm heading home on the 405, and listening to John and Ken, and they were talking about a particular politician out here, and they play this song that reminded of Shinn...But I see your true colors
shining through
405 wasn't bad today, not sure which direction you were going but I found today to be pretty easy going.
Not that it's important or anything but this story is getting around . . . today two Lakers fans I work with said they saw the story online and thought it was a pretty ****** way for Shinn to act.
Shinn's a cheapskate, enjoy these next 2 years worth games Oklahomans.
The calm before the storm. :wavey:Quote:
Originally Posted by NYKF Hornet
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Originally Posted by defuz
Great post. Ultimately, I see most of us sticking with the team. It will be tougher but if the product on the floor is good, that's all that really counts.
Thanks TB. Almost regadless of what Shinn says, unless he turns into a raving lunatic like Benson, I will support the team. I fully expect some damage control, and for it to be a hollow appeasment of some hurt fans, but I can live with that, knowing him now for who he is, I can move on. If he's got any sense, he'll come back here and keep his mouth shut unless it's a sincere apology, and let his players do the talking, figuratively and literally.
However, regardless of how well the team does, if he does turn into Benson II, and if, when the team returns, he starts making blatant moves to relocate, I will withdraw my support. And I will expect for the other fans of this fine city to do the same. Like in Charlotte, they'll be playing to a darn near empty house.
Benson started posturing and insulting the fans of the Sants years ago. But with his latest round of lunacy, I simply gave up on him and his mediocre team.
As I said, I can ignore some of Shinn's lies, and concentrate on watching the team, but if he goes bat-$h1t crazy, and does whatever he can to poison the market and leave town, you can have him.
After that i'll watch TV or read the papaers instead. But until then, this is my team. This is my passion, and most of all, this is my city.
GO NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Oh, I almost forgot.....:wavey: :p
Exactly. If he falls apart, then I wouldn't expect nor would I want the city of New Orleans to support him.Quote:
Originally Posted by defuz
If he keeps his mouth shut and the team performs well, I could see the city slowly but surely coming back starting with the 3 games in March.
Shinn will probably say something like he did what he did to stay in business. But he can't say that now because he would offend the Okies. Look, he just played this wrong from the begining, and because of that, he continues to be beset with PR problems. That's what's happening.
George Shinn doesn't need to lie. Read his book "Good Morning Lord".:pQuote:
Originally Posted by defuz
Hey George, it's time for another trip down Interstate 85. You need it! It's time to pick up the phone. Face your problems and write the check for a dollar if thats all you've got. Be a man and face the music. Thats what you brag about doing in your book.
George, "you can if you believe you can", thats how you signed my book. I guess thats just the first page of 130 pages of BS.
I guess you've given up! Try reading page 129 of your own friggin' book. You wrote it.
"It would be unrealistic to suggest that the successful person is always living at the top of the mountain. We all have our valleys. We all experience tragedies. We all have setbacks. We all make mistakes in judgements of people and situations-the Lord knows I've made mine. But these valleys can be learning experiences, learning more about others, about ourselves and about the Lord. Without him there can be no mountains."
In other words, David Stern isn't your savior coullion. Let me guess, the next book will be named "Dear David". It all started with an awakening as you were driving down I-40 and the front end started to shake... :wavey:
Actually Avatar, earthquakes do not occur in Sacramento. Sac is to far inland to feel an earthquake. The worst that Sac gets is flooding in certain areas around the Yolo Causeway and maybe a tornado in the outskirts of the metro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar
i know this, I'm a native Californian! LOL
I am not a native Californian, but living out here I can tell you two things.Quote:
Originally Posted by SerraAngelOKC
A) Sacramento is not completely immune from quake or quake effects. It's not like the Valley has ZERO fault lines. A quake can essentially strike anywhere on the west coast.
B) The SF Chronicle did a major story in November outlining how a major quake in the Bay Area could lead to a rupture of the levees in the Delta, and do you know what their conclusion was? Up to $40B in damage with more than 95000 homes in the Sacramento and San Joaquin Valleys standing in 5 feet of water. :eek:
Wow, thats great news. If things go OKC's way, they can get the Kings. Thanks for giving them something to hope for. :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by West Coast Hornet
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Happy to be of service!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
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