2013 Hornets Roster Moves, Trades and Draft

Vasques is ballin out of his mind and as much as I love him I still don't think we will compete for another 2-3 years and I don't know how long he will keep it up, I would get max value for him and make Rivers the starting PG, yes we wont win as many games but it will make him develop more and we will land another top 5 pick

Step 1: Trade Vasques for Cousins
Step 2: Draft SF: Either James Mcadoo, Alex Poythress, LeBryan Nash, Otto Porter, in this order

PG: Rivers/FA
SG: Gordon/Mason/Miller
SF: Mcadoo or Poythress/Aminu/Miller
PF: Davis/Ryno/Smith
C: Cousins/Lopez/Smith

This team with Gordon, rivers, mcadoo, davis and cousins has endless potential, given a couple years this could be the best all around team in the league with incredible offense from rivers gordon and cousins and great Defense from Gordon, mcadoo and Davis. Also I think we'd be one of the best rebounding teams in the league with mcadoo davis and cousins, Just my thoughts, would also be the most fun team in the league to watch. Anyone else think this team would be nasty at all 5 positions?

Vasquez will never command that much value in a trade. That would be a great team in theory no doubt, its just incredibly unrealistic and will never happen.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Vasques is ballin out of his mind and as much as I love him I still don't think we will compete for another 2-3 years and I don't know how long he will keep it up, I would get max value for him and make Rivers the starting PG, yes we wont win as many games but it will make him develop more and we will land another top 5 pick

Step 1: Trade Vasques for Cousins
Step 2: Draft SF: Either James Mcadoo, Alex Poythress, LeBryan Nash, Otto Porter, in this order

PG: Rivers/FA
SG: Gordon/Mason/Miller
SF: Mcadoo or Poythress/Aminu/Miller
PF: Davis/Ryno/Smith
C: Cousins/Lopez/Smith

This team with Gordon, rivers, mcadoo, davis and cousins has endless potential, given a couple years this could be the best all around team in the league with incredible offense from rivers gordon and cousins and great Defense from Gordon, mcadoo and Davis. Also I think we'd be one of the best rebounding teams in the league with mcadoo davis and cousins, Just my thoughts, would also be the most fun team in the league to watch. Anyone else think this team would be nasty at all 5 positions?

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If you had Cousins. would you trade him for Vasquez? Seriously?

Mcadoo is a PF. Very athletic but will never play SF in the league. Don't believe the hype about him being able to play SF because of his athleticism.

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Originally Posted by LoCo89

If you had Cousins. would you trade him for Vasquez? Seriously?

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No, of course.

The only move I would like to see us make this summer in FA is Josh Smith. Think about that five man rotation. Lopez, Davis, Josh Smith, Anderson and Jason Smith.

You could have the most versitile defensive and offensive front court in the game.

You could go offensive (even get threes) with Davis-Josh-Anderson
You could go defensive with Lopez-Davis-Josh
You could go athletic with Davis-Josh-and a athletic SF (Draft or Aminu if we dont move him)
You could feature Davis as option # 1 offensively with Jason-Davis-Anderson
You could feature Josh as option # 1 Offensively with Lopez-Jason-Josh
You could go long offensively with Lopez-Davis-Josh
You could go long defensively with Lopez-Jason-Davis


Davis, Josh and Jason can run on the fast break
Jason, Anderson and Josh can score off pick and roll (Davis too)

There are more possibilities....Depending on what we do in the draft.

I'm pretty sure Tony Allen is a free agent. He would be PERFECT for this team. Great defensive presence and leader. I would even overpay a little bit for him. 3 yrs $18- $20 million. He's what this young team needs.

Vasquez + Lopez may work. Not Vasquez alone though.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Vasquez + Lopez may work. Not Vasquez alone though.

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For cousins? I doubt it sir. Maybe with a first involved.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

For cousins? I doubt it sir. Maybe with a first involved.

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Ah, yeah, I meant to kick in the 1st. Forgot to type that. Thanks. And looking at their roster, they don't need another PG on that team. I think they'd do Lopez + our 1st straight up.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Ah, yeah, I meant to kick in the 1st. Forgot to type that. Thanks. And looking at their roster, they don't need another PG on that team. I think they'd do Lopez + our 1st straight up.

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Also think it'll only work depending on the type of year Lopez can put together and also where our first is projected to go.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

I'm pretty sure Tony Allen is a free agent. He would be PERFECT for this team. Great defensive presence and leader. I would even overpay a little bit for him. 3 yrs $18- $20 million. He's what this young team needs.

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I like Allen, but he is not worth anywhere close to that. He will be 31 in a couple of months and makes about $3 million a year. That is about what he is worth (maybe $4 million at most).

Vasques + Aminu for Cousins
Draft Poythress, problem solved.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Vasques + Aminu for Cousins
Draft Poythress, problem solved.

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This isn't 2k sir. People won't accept $.45 for a $1. I'd laugh at that offer irl.

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Step 1: Trade Vasques for Cousins

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Are we joking?

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Vasques + Aminu for Cousins

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Apparently not.

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I think they'd do Lopez + our 1st straight up.

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Ugh. Unless Cousins' starts forcing his way out of Sacramento (Very possible, giving the temper of the guy and the organization he's dealing with, but not happening now) we don't have what it takes to get him. Not without giving up something we wouldn't want to (Davis, Anderson, Rivers etc.).

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

Are we joking?



Apparently not.



Ugh. Unless Cousins' starts forcing his way out of Sacramento (Very possible, giving the temper of the guy and the organization he's dealing with, but not happening now) we don't have what it takes to get him. Not without giving up something we wouldn't want to.

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That's what I'm banking on. That, and the Maloofs won't want to re-up his contract because they are trying to sell the team.

We'd have to give up an unprotected first round draft pick for Cousins. Maybe, I would say a top three protected first round pick would be what I would offer.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

That's what I'm banking on. That, and the Maloofs won't want to re-up his contract because they are trying to sell the team.

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I mean its possible but thats kind of like other teams saying they should trade for Davis because when he blows up he will want out of New Orleans just like Paul did. Its something to think about (even hope for, if you're the other team) but you can't predict it.

Not to mention that if Cousins wants out that bad, I'm sure they'll be better options than Vasquez + Aminu or RoLo + Vasquez.

The only way the Maloofs will take back Vasquez for Cousins is if Tom Benson throws in an extra $350 million to buy the Kings.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

I'm pretty sure Tony Allen is a free agent. He would be PERFECT for this team. Great defensive presence and leader. I would even overpay a little bit for him. 3 yrs $18- $20 million. He's what this young team needs.

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didnt we do that with james posey lol??

Yeah, the only way we get Cousins is by giving up our first rounder. I'm not sure where I stand on that at the moment, but its going to take a continuation of bad attitude on Cousins' behalf to spur this sort of trade. At that point, would it even be plausible to make such a move? I'm learning towards no, but his potential on the court is limitless.

Rivers/Gordon/Mcadoo/Davis/Cousins with Anderson off the bench is sick. I don't think its too realistic, however.

Rivers/Gordon/McAdoo/Anderson/Davis is more likely and may be wiser financially in the long-run.

I think the more pressing question is who are we going to go after via trade, draft, or FA to fill in our need for a scoring guard off the bench. This is a question I've struggled with figuring out for a while.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

I mean its possible but thats kind of like other teams saying they should trade for Davis because when he blows up he will want out of New Orleans just like Paul did. Its something to think about (even hope for, if you're the other team) but you can't predict it.

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But Cousins is a different beast. He has openly said he wants out, and then retracted his statement. The organization has leaked at times that they are getting fed up. There is no talent on that roster to speak of, and Cousins said he wants win. Ownership and management is horrendous, and their cap situation is horrible. If I was Cousins, I'd be kicking the GM's door down demanding a trade.

And yeah, I can't predict it, but I will most certainly hope for it!

I'd see them doing Cousins for our 2014 unprotected 1st, why wouldnt we do
It? IDC how loaded the class will be, we WILL NOT be a lottery team unless we flat out Tank. With a healthy Gordon, Cousin, Davis, Rivers, Ryno, and another first round pick in 2013, were a playoff team for sure. No point in holding on to that pick if were not gonna get a top 15 in 2014. And even if we did I'd take Cousins now any day of the week.

Vasquez for Demarcus Cousins? The Kings would never make such a trade. They can get much more value.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

But Cousins is a different beast. He has openly said he wants out, and then retracted his statement. The organization has leaked at times that they are getting fed up. There is no talent on that roster to speak of, and Cousins said he wants win. Ownership and management is horrendous, and their cap situation is horrible. If I was Cousins, I'd be kicking the GM's door down demanding a trade.

And yeah, I can't predict it, but I will most certainly hope for it!

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Cousins also said: “Sacramento is where I want to be, I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’

or just draft Zeller.

Vasques is averaging 13.5 and 9, on a dirt cheap contract, I think his draft value is ALOT higher than yall are giving him credit for, remember how hot of a comodity dragic was when he flashed his potential? Vasques is doing this with subpar players around him. I truely believe the Kings would trade us Cousins for Vasques and our 2014 1st rounder, they could draft cody zeller or nerlens noel to place him and have a pure PG in vasques and have a team of
vasques
thornton
tyreke
thomas robinson
cody zeller

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Originally Posted by QPon20

Cousins also said: “Sacramento is where I want to be, I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’

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That's what I meant when I said he "then retracted his statement." And besides, it's not all up to him. If the Maloofs don't want to pay him when it comes time for his next contract, he's gone. If management gets tired of him getting ejected from games, he's gone. Cousins's point of view is only one piece of the puzzle, and it is a very volatile piece at that.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

That's what I meant when I said he "then retracted his statement." And besides, it's not all up to him. If the Maloofs don't want to pay him when it comes time for his next contract, he's gone. If management gets tired of him getting ejected from games, he's gone. Cousins's point of view is only one piece of the puzzle, and it is a very volatile piece at that.

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True. Everything is centered around what happens with the Maloofs in the next year or so. It's hard to guess how it will play out one way or the other right now.

Man, the Maloofs. I feel bad for the city of Sacramento for having to put up with them.

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Originally Posted by The JNR

Man, the Maloofs. I feel bad for the city of Sacramento for having to put up with them.

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Yeah, its a shame for a city and fanbase that has done nothing wrong to have to put up with them. We made it through with Shinn and his cost cutting and relocation rumors, so hopefully they can too.

a couple of upcoming FA's have caught my fancy....Jeff Teague and Chandler Parsons....I am doubtful we could make it happen, but I would love to see Parsons over here....as far as I can tell, Teague can do all the things we would be looking for in a point guard (I am fond of Greivis, but his lack off footspeed will never disappear)

I like Parsons game but I think some team will overpay for his services and I don't want to be that team. Not a big fan of Teague as I think he is just average, but if he could be had for a reasonable price he and Greives would make a nice 1-2 punch because he has what Greives lacks in terms of speed and athleticism.