Can Harden Play SF?

I think he can. I've been watching him closely in the Olympics, and Coach K has been playing him heavily at the 3. I know, it's a different game, but not so much on the perimeter as it is in the post. Harden is definitely big enough to guard most NBA SFs - save Durant and LeBron, but nobody can guard them 1-1 anyway. He is an elite off-the-ball player, and he will fit in perfectly with Gordon and Rivers, who like the ball in their hands more. Harden is a great shooter and a great passer. He has crazy hops and a gigantic wingspan (over 6'10).

I think we go after him in FA next off season. He fits in perfectly with the age group we are going for, and we definitely have the cap space to do so. Since OKC has to choose between him and Ibaka, and since they already have 2 perimeter players and desperately need a post presence, I think Ibaka is the obvious choice. Do an S&T with OKC so that they get a little something in return for Harden, perhaps Henry and our 1st round pick? The trade can be quite lopsided because we are far enough under the cap to absorb his contract.

Harden will cost $13.668 million, assuming we sign him to the same max deal we signed Gordon to. Add in Gordon ($14.3 million), Anderson ($8.3 million), Davis ($5.4 million), Lopez ($5 million), Aminu ($3.7 million), JSmith ($2.5 million), Rivers ($2.3 million), and Vasquez ($2.15 million), and the total comes up to $57.3 million. That is under the projected $58-60 million dollar salary cap.

Roster

PG - Vasquez, Rivers
SG - Gordon, Rivers
SF - Harden, Aminu, Miller
PF - Davis, Anderson, JSmith
C - Anderson, Lopez, JSmith

Add a few vets to fill out the roster. We still have the MLE and the Bi-Annual I believe. Plus the veteran minimum.

I like it if Gordon says he wants to leave, but I don't think harden is big enough for sf. I don't think he could defend the bigger sfs.

It would have to be a better deal than that, I wouldn't be hesitant to part with Rivers for him. I wouldn't worry about positions, Harden is such a playmaker, he could play the 1 if that is what we asked from him.

Not a bad idea. Im down for going after Harden.

ehh

Yeah I hope we go after him, Aminu can guard the bigger scoring SFs if we need him too, and Harden can come off the bench sometimes like he does for OKC and play SG, PG and SF

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Originally Posted by BeeBall Reasons

It would have to be a better deal than that, I wouldn't be hesitant to part with Rivers for him. I wouldn't worry about positions, Harden is such a playmaker, he could play the 1 if that is what we asked from him.

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Not really. RFAs don't command much on the open market in terms of return trade value - especially since OKC can't afford to keep him. They are forced to trade one, and we can give them a lot of cap space + a 21 year old lottery pick and a 1st round pick.

OKC won't get fair return for Harden. This is a pretty good offer, IMO. And yeah, Harden can play anywhere on the perimeter.

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Originally Posted by rbow.

Yeah I hope we go after him, Aminu can guard the bigger scoring SFs if we need him too, and Harden can come off the bench sometimes like he does for OKC and play SG, PG and SF

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doubt he'd want a bench role, I think pg would be a good spot for him, not like Gordon is the same ballhog westbrook is.

Also this is a moot point because I'm pretty sure OKC would choose Harden if he would only bring back a first rounder. Unless it's an upper lottery one.

I like the idea, but I think there are other teams who could offer more and would be more desperate for a player like Harden.

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Originally Posted by Redskin

I like the idea, but I think there are other teams who could offer more and would be more desperate for a player like Harden.

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True, but it depends on what they want. We can give them cap space, which is at a premium in the NBA right now.

Charlotte probably throw the max, Jordan brand and let him become mayor of the city. Lol, seriously though I wouldn't mind him at all, our hustlers and good defenders will help with his lack of D kinda. Sometime he looked like me vs. Lebron or Wade, lol all in all I say he stay with OKC, idk how it will be done.

I'm not that impressed with Harden.

I can't keep from fantasizing about Rivers, Gordon, and Harden taking turns attacking the basket possession after possession after possession. Man, that would be such a good team. There's going to be a lot of teams after him, however, and I fear that the Thunder won't be interested in trading him to a team in the same conference. Especially one like ours that is full of promise and talent. The package that you proposed sounds legitimate enough, but I just don't see the Thunder biting when there are other teams out there with more assets. And honestly, I'm not even sold on the Thunder letting Harden go in FA. Only time will tell. I'll keep dreaming in the meantime.

Harden has great handles, awesome three pointer & jump shooter who can get to the hole, finish and draw fouls. Good offensively, Lil shaky on D

Oh, and just out of curiosity......how do you think Gordon's ego would take such a high-profile addition to the squad?

Or do you not foresee that as a problem?

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

Oh, and just out of curiosity......how do you think Gordon's ego would take such a high-profile addition to the squad?

Or do you not foresee that as a problem?

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I don't think he would be mad openly, but I'm sure he'd be butt hurt behind the scenes.

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Originally Posted by BeeBall Reasons

doubt he'd want a bench role, I think pg would be a good spot for him, not like Gordon is the same ballhog westbrook is.

Also this is a moot point because I'm pretty sure OKC would choose Harden if he would only bring back a first rounder. Unless it's an upper lottery one.

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I think you are missing the point that they can't afford to keep him. From what I'm told, they have to trade either Harden or Ibaka, and I think Ibaka will stay because they need post players more than perimeter guys.

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

Oh, and just out of curiosity......how do you think Gordon's ego would take such a high-profile addition to the squad?

Or do you not foresee that as a problem?

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I don't think it will be a problem. So long as Gordon has his max contract, I think he's fine.

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

I can't keep from fantasizing about Rivers, Gordon, and Harden taking turns attacking the basket possession after possession after possession. Man, that would be such a good team. There's going to be a lot of teams after him, however, and I fear that the Thunder won't be interested in trading him to a team in the same conference. Especially one like ours that is full of promise and talent. The package that you proposed sounds legitimate enough, but I just don't see the Thunder biting when there are other teams out there with more assets. And honestly, I'm not even sold on the Thunder letting Harden go in FA. Only time will tell. I'll keep dreaming in the meantime.

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They don't have the money to keep him. We're talking about well over $80 million dollars worth of salary once they fill out the roster. Not even possible.

Don't underestimate the Thunder's front office. What if they move Perkins? Can they afford both then?

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Originally Posted by NolaHornets23

Don't underestimate the Thunder's front office. What if they move Perkins? Can they afford both then?

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How in the world are they going to move Perkins? His contract is horrible for his production. Plus, they would have to take on nearly equal value in a trade (no team with cap space is just going to take on Perkins. Their 1st round pick has no value at all. I can't see a way they move him with out taking back salary....

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think you are missing the point that they can't afford to keep him. From what I'm told, they have to trade either Harden or Ibaka, and I think Ibaka will stay because they need post players more than perimeter guys.



I don't think it will be a problem. So long as Gordon has his max contract, I think he's fine.



They don't have the money to keep him. We're talking about well over $80 million dollars worth of salary once they fill out the roster. Not even possible.

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They could always find a suitor for Perkins, and take on expiring contracts. Worse case scenario: they haven't used their amnesty. Combine that with Ibaka's salary coming off the books, and Harden is suddenly affordable. Granted, this type of decision would come down to whether they think Jones could play the 4, and their perception of how strong the center position is in the upcoming draft. It would take some maneuvering but retaining him isn't out of the question.

Then again, they've rebuilt through the draft once. They've got to believe they can do it again. What they decide to do next offseason can possibly change the landscape of the WC for at least the next couple of years.

Just thinking out loud here.

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

They could always find a suitor for Perkins, and take on expiring contracts. Worse case scenario: they haven't used their amnesty. Combine that with Ibaka's salary coming off the books, and Harden is suddenly affordable. Granted, this type of decision would come down to whether they think Jones could play the 4, and their perception of how strong the center position is in the upcoming draft. It would take some maneuvering but retaining him isn't out of the question.

Then again, they've rebuilt through the draft once. They've got to believe they can do it again. What they decide to do next offseason can possibly change the landscape of the WC for at least the next couple of years.

Just thinking out loud here.

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Didn't know they didn't use their amnesty yet. Still, I think they would have to choose between Ibaka and Harden. Even if they amnesty Perkins, they would still be around $75-80 million (depending on which options they pick up).

And yeah man, no prob. Keep thinking out loud haha. That's what I made the thread for.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Didn't know they didn't use their amnesty yet. Still, I think they would have to choose between Ibaka and Harden. Even if they amnesty Perkins, they would still be around $75-80 million (depending on which options they pick up).

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Oh, they definitely have to choose between them. I'm just insinuating that they may opt for Harden over Ibaka. I surely hope they don't. I think a strong argument can be made for retaining either player over the other.

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

Oh, they definitely have to choose between them. I'm just insinuating that they may opt for Harden over Ibaka. I surely hope they don't. I think a strong argument can be made for retaining either player over the other.

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Agreed. I just think that they need Ibaka because, if they let him go, they won't have anything even resembling a post game, and they won't have the cap space to bring another post player in - especially if they amnesty Perkins. Plus, Ibaka is one of the best defensive players in the league. Can't pass on that. JMO, of course.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

How in the world are they going to move Perkins? His contract is horrible for his production. Plus, they would have to take on nearly equal value in a trade (no team with cap space is just going to take on Perkins. Their 1st round pick has no value at all. I can't see a way they move him with out taking back salary....

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How in the world did we move Okafor and Ariza in the same deal? There is always a team out there with enough cap space to make a really stupid move. It isn't likely but I wouldn't rule it out. I'm sure they're trying to figure out ways to keep both players, it won't be easy but it's not impossible.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Agreed. I just think that they need Ibaka because, if they let him go, they won't have anything even resembling a post game, and they won't have the cap space to bring another post player in - especially if they amnesty Perkins. Plus, Ibaka is one of the best defensive players in the league. Can't pass on that. JMO, of course.

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There's always the possibility PJ3 plays well enough to take over for Ibaka. If he shows some of that potential to be a difference maker they could easily opt to keep Harden over Ibaka.

They will amnesty Perkins if they really want to keep both he and Ibaka. I've read that is what they plan om doing to try and keep both he and Ibaka. I like Harden as a player, but he is a more of a combo shooting guard than anything. I don't see him leaving Oklahoma City. They would be crazy to not do anything and everything to keep him. It's hard to find a player of his caliber that is willing to come off the bench and let Durant and Westbrook do their thing without wanting to leave. I would rather a true small forward that's bigger than Harden, since Gordon is a smaller shooting guard at only 6'3". You almost need a bigger wing player for that reason. Not saying it couldn't work, but just not the ideal situation. Now if we could move Gordon and get Harden then yes I'd be all for adding him.

I would rather we swing a deal with the 76ers. They lost Elton Brand and our really thin at power forward. Send Jason Smith, Al Farouq Aminu, and a top 5 protected pick to Philly for Andre Iguodala. The only thing is that Jason Smith was drafted by them, so not sure they would want him back. They are thin at point guard too, but we don't have any to trade unfortunately. Jarrett Jack would come in handy for a deal like that. I still think we should of got something of more value for Jack. Smith, Aminu, & Jack for Iggy would be nice. Doubt it the first trade though, cause they would most likely want a good player close to Iggy. Having two 1st round picks though could possibly turn into a player close to him maybe. They better get something for him though, so closer to trade dead line would be better. H

James Harden
Andre Iguodala

Both are very good players in their respective roles. However, I want to see the direction Al-Farouq Aminu takes offensively. If he can develop an offensive game I would stick with him and let him grow with our core group of players. We have nearly $14 million dollars of cap space coming to us next summer just by Rashad Lewis' buyout alone including other future transactions that will happen. Lets just see how our young players grow and develop.

*Keep an eye out on the Austin Daye rumors.

I think phx has upper hand if he can't stay with thunder

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“I love it there,” Harden told Bickley. “My mom lives there still. So that’s definitely my second home as far as my comfort level and going to school there. But obviously, I’m with the Thunder right now and what we have is special.”

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I think they will keep Harden over Ibaka if they had to. I would for sure.

Ibaka is long, athletic, and a good shot blocker, but otherwise he doesn't do much except hit open jumpers. He's pretty much useless in the half court. They need Harden much more than Ibaka. Ibaka doesn't give u much post offense or post defense. Harden is also the glue guy between Durant and Westbrook.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think you are missing the point that they can't afford to keep him. From what I'm told, they have to trade either Harden or Ibaka, and I think Ibaka will stay because they need post players more than perimeter guys.



I don't think it will be a problem. So long as Gordon has his max contract, I think he's fine.



They don't have the money to keep him. We're talking about well over $80 million dollars worth of salary once they fill out the roster. Not even possible.

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Dude, the point is I'm saying they choose Harden over Ibaka. Harden is the better player and considering both will be offered max or slightly below (Ibaka at least gets Batum money). They would more likely choose to keep Harden unless they got a good package in a trade for him. I'd throw up Rivers and a first rounder or if Rivers means that much to you guys, we take on Perkins and send them back the Lopez contract, just a first rounder, and a filler.

Harden does not get to the Ft line.You'd like your 3man to have a "get into the lane/rim game,however positions are not as defines as in the past.He is more of a 3baller that attack off the bounce guy. Decent handle,fair defensive quicks......he's the 'catch" guy off drive and kicks as he is more effective with space to crank his 3...We shall watch and see.

Harden averaged 6 FT attempts per game, and 6.8 per 36 minutes. He gets to the line just fine.

I don't think he'll hit the market though. I think OKC will extend him before the season ends. Ibaka will be gone before Harden is.

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Originally Posted by Bee-Fense

Harden averaged 6 FT attempts per game, and 6.8 per 36 minutes. He gets to the line just fine.

I don't think he'll hit the market though. I think OKC will extend him before the season ends. Ibaka will be gone before Harden is.

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I agree. They let Ibaka go before Harden.

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Originally Posted by gerryv

Harden does not get to the Ft line.You'd like your 3man to have a "get into the lane/rim game,however positions are not as defines as in the past.He is more of a 3baller that attack off the bounce guy. Decent handle,fair defensive quicks......he's the 'catch" guy off drive and kicks as he is more effective with space to crank his 3...We shall watch and see.

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gerry,

i am dissapointed in your lack of knowledge on harden...he ranked 13th overall in the league in FT's attempted per game...he gets to the line A LOT

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

I think Ibaka will stay because they need post players more than perimeter guys.

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If PJ3 pans out it certainly leaves Ibaka as the odd man out.

this is a dumb thread, we will never get Harden, end of story...plus he's only 6'5" which is even a little undersized for shooting guards so definitely not be able to guard big small forwards or even average sized

I know this thread is dead, but I say we do whatever it takes outside of Davis to get Harden, I mean this commercial has me sold. More personality than Gordon will ever have :hihi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zr7l...feature=relmfu

Thats one of the funniest commercials i have ever seen!

They cast Russell Westbrook as an *******.

Well done.

OKC will be able to afford he and Ibaka... they'll make it work. But to answer the question I think Harden CAN play the 3. Remember Monty doesn't have a 1, 2, 3-5... he has guards and bigs. Harden is big enough to play the 3, and he's quick enough as well.

See, it depends on your definition of "can he play the 3?" My definition of "positions" is the position you can guard. I feel like Harden can guard most of the 3s in this league, so I would say yes.

And it is possible to retain both Harden and Ibaka, but I don't think the owner will want to pay that much tax $. If they keep most of their roster in tact, including Perkins, they will have nearly $88 million on the books if they re-sign both Harden and Ibaka. If they amnesty Perkins (which will also cost the owner a lot of money), they will be around $80, but that is still a good bit over the tax... So, it is possible, but that is a big choice for the owner to make.