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2 more years of Hill at 13 mil a year
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04-07-2018, 11:11 PMAusPel2 more years of Hill at 13 mil a year
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04-07-2018, 11:36 PMMythrol
I feel like we should let him come back from his injury first before we start stuff like this.
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04-07-2018, 11:50 PMTaker597Very Bad first year... and Basically miss second year halfway through a 50+ million contract...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
Why you giving this bad contract a pass? It's a number game when it comes to cap management. He has awful numbers, missed games, and never was a reliable shooter in the Era of Elite Shooters. It's a bad contract just the likes of Ajinca and Asik. We got bamboozled by the cap increase to give out inflated contracts and luckily it wasn't a MAX player during that time like Chandler. Overpaid for potential. Solid L on this contract. I still think he is a solid piece at 6-8 million as a defensive specialist. Although, it's hard pretty hard to entice players to play in NOLA. So, we will always have to overpay.
I appreciate your eternal optimism, and I would be disappointed if you agreed with me. It is always a bright spot to this board to be honest. -
04-07-2018, 11:57 PMluckyman
Hill's first year was anything but "Bad".
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04-08-2018, 12:13 AMEman5805
Guy had his damn hamstring come off his leg.
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04-08-2018, 12:18 AMRheem654Yes, exactly. Although we saw when he was healthy that he wasn't much an offensive force at all, save for a few games. Is his D enough to make up for it? But yea, can't properly evaluate him this year coming off the injury, it's clear he's still rusty. He could have missed the whole season, so anything he brings out there (a few good defensive stops and some heady/nifty passing) is really a bonus for this season and playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
Meanwhile, I really think we should keep Moore through at least the length of his contract. He's been a great glue guy, stepping up in games like this. And he has great chemistry with this group. Really, most of the core should be kept and built around Rondo/Jrue/Moore/AD/Niko/Boogie/Miller/Diallo. Clark is a hopefully re-sign, Okafor would be nice for vet depth. Hill still a question mark to how he comes back next season, and Ajinca is likely to be traded. -
04-08-2018, 12:18 AMRheem654lol, fo realQuote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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04-08-2018, 12:33 AMkinglio21093
It's still a bad contract. He's an OK player, and I like what he brings defensively, but it's an awful contract no matter which way you want to put it.
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04-08-2018, 12:41 AMluckyman
Is anyone capable of speaking in mediums these days? Everything is either fantastic or the absolute worst **** ever in mankind.
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04-08-2018, 12:42 AMRheem654yea it is. That offseason was full of bad contracts with the cap spike then it came back down again. Let's just be thankful we don't have a huge bad contract like Jo Noah's or Parsons' contracts.Quote:
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04-08-2018, 01:35 AMmsusousaphoneRight?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
You'd think after Jrue and Moore we'd learn.... -
04-08-2018, 02:56 AMpelicanchamp2 more years of Hill at 13 mil a year
Hill is overpaid. He’s rusty, I can’t be too critical of him at the moment. I want to see more this season, playoffs etc before I get too critical.
Find me another guy out there who we can get that will give us what we need from Hill.... he is overpaid imo it’s not a good contract but defense wins championships and I like his defense. Our team is better with him playing and gives us more depth to rest players and still have good defense.
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04-08-2018, 08:37 AMTxAggie713
I feel like with a full camp and rolling into the season with a full healthy roster Solo is exactly the type of guy you want off the bench OR as a 3 and D (he will find his stroke) alongside Davis and Cousins. Dude hasn't played ball in a long time, I am confident he will hit his stride just at the right time.
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04-08-2018, 08:57 AMMythrol
People still call Jrue overpaid, even after the absolutely outstanding season he is having, so I shouldn't be surprised that now fans have to turn their outrage to a player just coming back from injury and is still on a minute restriction.
Hill is our main defensive anchor at our weakest position. Overpaid? Yeah probably but every SF in the league basically is overpaid because of the lack of talent at the position.
The main thing is, why are we staring this thread now in the middle of a playoff push while the player is still trying to come back from injury? Just stop with hot takes and let this season play out. -
04-08-2018, 08:59 AMPelicanidae
^^^^^^^^^^^
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04-08-2018, 11:06 AMwnelson
Errybody thinks they are a Mackel. Nobody likes a Mackel
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04-08-2018, 12:11 PMN.O.Bronco
Hill has been overpaid the moment he inked his contract.
He was overpaid last year, he was overpaid this year.
The day he will not become overpaid is the day he produces like a 12 million a year player.
I like some of the things he brings to the table, like his defense and passing, but unless the guy can have a career year from three going forward, and we likely keep rondo, it is going to be a struggle for him to see starter level minutes. I’ve been saying this all year about his hyped up return. Frankly I’m actually incredible disheartened by that aspect of his game, since for months he has been able to practice shooting and light scenarios in practice, but he has looked downright dreadful with his shot since coming back. -
04-08-2018, 01:03 PMMythrol
He's played 158 minutes total this season. All while on a minute restriction and trying to work himself back into game shape after coming back from a terrible injury.
Of course he hasn't looked good. The idea was never as soon as he comes back he was going to be great for us. We are slowly working him back from injury. -
04-08-2018, 02:52 PMTinmanAgreed ! Short term memory loss for some pollyannas on the board. Just 4 games ago, before Gillette intervened, we were hearing catcalls from the peanut gallery calling NICO a bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythrol
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04-08-2018, 03:31 PMTaker597
It really won't matter in the long run. If we reisgn Boogie. We will be Luxury Tax anyways. Salary soft cap in NBA really isn't as something to really get worked up over to be honest with bad contracts.
We are gonna have to stop trading away 1st round picks and organically build depth with cheaper rookie contracts. -
04-08-2018, 03:39 PMTinmanYou're not implying that we would've done better with our pick, than trading for Nico, are you? Nah, NOWAY you can be suggesting that, RIGHT?Quote:
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04-10-2018, 02:00 AMpawel
Let's just say that it is good that he has returned.
And that he is with the team.
give him healthy training camp and start again from there. -
04-10-2018, 02:04 AMAusPelIf we're a lux tax team and I think we will be next season, those cheap contracts aren't as crucialQuote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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04-10-2018, 02:07 AMpawel
they will be very important, maybe not crucial.
advancing to the play-offs Pels have gives better odds for becoming a tax team.
but still - to remain flexible/not go high into the tax/have the ability to not pay tax in 2 years - it is good to have cheap contracts... -
04-10-2018, 02:16 AMAusPelThat's true, but Dell has shown little interest in having cheap talent. Whether that's by design or circumstance, who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by pawel