The official 'Jrue Holiday's 3pt shooting will regress to the mean' thread

Looking for positives right now, Jrue is shooting 25% from three where his career % is 36%

Gotta sling back soon

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Looking for positives right now, Jrue is shooting 25% from three where his career % is 36%

Gotta sling back soon

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I hope so. I also think teams are paying him extra attention. If he us our supposed third piece he needs to find more consistency. If I can see that we struggle to win when he is off you can bet other teams see it. You plan to play AD n Boogie straight up, hope they don't drop 50 on you and shut everyone else down and you will have a chance to win. We must find a consistent third scorer.

Buyers Remorse

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Buyers Remorse

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

I hope so. I also think teams are paying him extra attention. If he us our supposed third piece he needs to find more consistency. If I can see that we struggle to win when he is off you can bet other teams see it. You plan to play AD n Boogie straight up, hope they don't drop 50 on you and shut everyone else down and you will have a chance to win. We must find a consistent third scorer.

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There's definitely some truth to this, I think it's mainly due to their billing as a big three and the media attention over the summer being that Jrue has to step up. Of course that's true, but any coach worth his salt would understand the pressure that puts on Jrue and would game plan around upsetting his already rocky confidence.

Can you imagine the free agents we could have signed with the money we WASTED on Holiday. I mean seriously, the guy has regressed and should
not be making the same money as a Chris Paul. I sure hope he prove me wrong.

Jrue is awesome


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Originally Posted by stormcenter

Can you imagine the free agents we could have signed with the money we WASTED on Holiday. I mean seriously, the guy has regressed and should
not be making the same money as a Chris Paul. I sure hope he prove me wrong.

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That is not how the NBA salary cap works. You don't get $25 million to sign someone else by not using bird rights on Jrue.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That is not how the NBA salary cap works. You don't get $25 million to sign someone else by not using bird rights on Jrue.

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I wa going to post the same thing but I'm tired of repeating myself.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Jrue is awesome


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= Everything is fine burning room gif.

Didn't we have this exact same thread last year with Hill posting career worst pct and still ended up with career worst pct?

Positives?
He won't be getting his insentives which means less money on the team cap.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Positives?
He won't be getting his insentives which means less money on the team cap.

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This made me check exactly what his incentives were. It's broken up into two parts each year.

510K likely for playing in 66 games [reg/post], playing 2,075 minutes.
255K likely for playing in 67 gamess [reg/post], averaging 7.3 AST and 3.15 REB.

He's on track for the 1st, but not the second.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This made me check exactly what his incentives were. It's broken up into two parts each year.

510K likely for playing in 66 games [reg/post], playing 2,075 minutes.
255K likely for playing in 67 gamess [reg/post], averaging 7.3 AST and 3.15 REB.

He's on track for the 1st, but not the second.

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They are the only incentives?
66 games and he gets paid another 500k.
**** Dell is a complete idiot.
For 25M he should be playing 75+.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

They are the only incentives?
66 games and he gets paid another 500k.
**** Dell is a complete idiot.
For 25M he should be playing 75+.

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66 games plus 2075 minutes. He's only played more minutes than that once while being a Pels.

Oh I understand that but I was just making a point how we (mgmt.)waste money. We could and probably should have let him just walk. IMO

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That is not how the NBA salary cap works. You don't get $25 million to sign someone else by not using bird rights on Jrue.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

This made me check exactly what his incentives were. It's broken up into two parts each year.

510K likely for playing in 66 games [reg/post], playing 2,075 minutes.
255K likely for playing in 67 gamess [reg/post], averaging 7.3 AST and 3.15 REB.

He's on track for the 1st, but not the second.

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Wait a minute. Demps gave him an incentive for assists? Is that why he's been passing up all of these shots mid-air for bad passes?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Wait a minute. Demps gave him an incentive for assists? Is that why he's been passing up all of these shots mid-air for bad passes?

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Or the fact he is supposed to be a SG.
7.3 AST is quite high for a SG.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Or the fact he is supposed to be a SG.
7.3 AST is quite high for a SG.

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Right. He should've had an incentive to score 18-20ppg while shooting 45%fg.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Or the fact he is supposed to be a SG.
7.3 AST is quite high for a SG.

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He's been starting at the point with Rondo out

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Originally Posted by AusPel

He's been starting at the point with Rondo out

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Dell wouldn't of own known this to be the case.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Dell wouldn't of own known this to be the case.

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Yes, it's strange that Dell would put an assists incentive in for a shooting guard, maybe he was ear marked to play point at that stage? Geesus

Jrue was signed before we had Rondo. We knew we were going to be pairing him with a guard but not at what position, it makes sense for his incentives to be based off of his previously played position.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Or the fact he is supposed to be a SG.
7.3 AST is quite high for a SG.

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Why everybody keeps saying he was supposed to be a SG?. He never played this position before. I never read about it but on this forum. I never heard Dell or Gentry talk about it. We had a lot of luck with Rondo and it's not like the Pels were really looking for a point guard. It's just a coincidence that some here were saying he should play SG and then Rondo was signed.

I think it should be noted that Jrue said that AD told him Rondo would possibly be joining. I would assume Demps had knowledge of this as well. As well as Gentry saying he would like to move Jrue off the ball at the end of last season.

Weird incentive, but it doesn't hurt us unless Jrue continues to be passive to try to hit the number, when we need him to be aggressive scoring the ball.

Jrue is a solid two-way guard, but his outside shooting hurt the team the first 10 games. He's shooting 22.5% from beyond the arc including 0-14 in the last four games. Ouch.

On the plus side he's shooting a high percentage on his 2-point attempts. Overall that tells me he's trying to avoid shooting from the stupid zone, which may be messing up his offense. Jrue came up as a mid-range guy. I'm willing to give him some time to adjust to being asked to be more of an efficient scorer in accord with today's NBA offensive principles.

Okay we are not talking about a rookie here, he is a HIGH PRICED veteran getting paid ELITE money. He should be performing like an ELITE player and he is not even close to that.
I am so tired of the excuses, it was mistake resigning. Can you we just ALL admit that? What we are getting now is basically what we saw all of last season......erratic play.

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Originally Posted by new city champ

Jrue is a solid two-way guard, but his outside shooting hurt the team the first 10 games. He's shooting 22.5% from beyond the arc including 0-14 in the last four games. Ouch.

On the plus side he's shooting a high percentage on his 2-point attempts. Overall that tells me he's trying to avoid shooting from the stupid zone, which may be messing up his offense. Jrue came up as a mid-range guy. I'm willing to give him some time to adjust to being asked to be more of an efficient scorer in accord with today's NBA offensive principles.

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My whole problem with making Jrue a 2 was his lack of outside spot up shooting. Maybe he'd have been able to settle in and focus on that role in the offense more if it weren't for Rondo's injury.

Jrue is about due for one of those games where everyone starts to think he turned the corner. Then follows it up with a so-so performance, then a few games later we are back to talking about Jrue coming out of his latest funk.

Such seems to be the story on Jrue Holiday's career. Like the guard version of Jeff Green. By all accounts based on his physical profile and the skillset he came into the league with, he should be a dominating player by now, but it just looks like it isn't going to ever happen.

When you get down to it, he is about the same player he was in Philly. A streaky guard that shows flashes, can be tenacious on the defense but takes games off or makes several erratic and bonehead mistakes a game. Not ready to lead an offense, not ideal as a floor spreading or slashing two guard. Has the physical tools to post up and live at the line but has never shown a commitment to developing either. A jumper that should of steadily improved but looks like it will forever stagnate in a place that is neither reliable nor well suited at either guard spot.

Yea I mean he was awful last night

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Jrue is about due for one of those games where everyone starts to think he turned the corner. Then follows it up with a so-so performance, then a few games later we are back to talking about Jrue coming out of his latest funk.

Such seems to be the story on Jrue Holiday's career. Like the guard version of Jeff Green. By all accounts based on his physical profile and the skillset he came into the league with, he should be a dominating player by now, but it just looks like it isn't going to ever happen.

When you get down to it, he is about the same player he was in Philly. A streaky guard that shows flashes, can be tenacious on the defense but takes games off or makes several erratic and bonehead mistakes a game. Not ready to lead an offense, not ideal as a floor spreading or slashing two guard. Has the physical tools to post up and live at the line but has never shown a commitment to developing either. A jumper that should of steadily improved but looks like it will forever stagnate in a place that is neither reliable nor well suited at either guard spot.

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Nostradamus?

Part one: Check

It's pretty obvious Jrue has mental issues. Even though he's played thousands of games in front of large crowds, dude just seems to shrink and can't handle big moments on a big stage.

His talent and physique alone will make him have big games every now and then but he's otherwise a constant under achiever.

We'll see what Rondo brings. All of the critiques you guys give are valid and fair. But they're also things a good floor general bolsters in a player. I think it's quite possible having a leader on the court can push Jrue over some of these mental hurdles. Nelson has the game but he doesn't have the presence. Rondo has both. I think by this time next month we'll see a different Jrue.