8.5mil front loaded contract, guy can get 10 boards a game, is lethal outside, has some ok-ish post moves. Absolute steal for us.
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8.5mil front loaded contract, guy can get 10 boards a game, is lethal outside, has some ok-ish post moves. Absolute steal for us.
Oh yes definitely a steal by any means
definitely steal..seems like a hard worker too...my dad was telling me if he can develop a pull up game(since he always drives straight to the basket and nothing in between) and can work a little on creating for himself then he can really be like dirk...and i completely agree, not as good as dirk...but close
Imagine if we had an offense that could get him open looks consistently. If Davis get's stronger (he will), they could make up the best young frontcourt in the league and play minutes together consistently.
I still think he's most useful coming off the bench, then playing starter minutes from there. Really interested to see this team fully healthy.
Other than his awesome playing skills is his youth. Dude looks like he's in his 30s, but he's only 24.
I know we're dealing with some tough times right now, but the combination of youthand talent we have on this team is astounding. It's a testament to the FO and Monty doing a good Jon coaching them.
Hard to watch right now sometimes, sucks being on a 6 game losing streak, but this nucleus makes it so easy to keep the faith.
his contract is front loaded??? does any 1 have the contract details?
Aside from Gordon, Demps worked magic this offseason. Makes me excited to think about what he can do with a lot of cap space next year.
His Ariza/Okafor for Lewis/Miller move was a straight up robbery.
He is top 30 and I don't care what anyone says.
He is almost as deadly as Peja in his prime, and Peja in his prime was a near MVP candidate. A guy that can stroke it like Anderson, and play a bit of def. is nice.
Things I like about Ryan Anderson I didn't expect:
1. His defense is sneaky good. He's pesky. Guys like to get him in iso, but he contests really well without fouling. He tries to take too many charges and gets in foul trouble as a result of that, but I'm happy with his man defense, especially on centers.
2. He can put it on the floor and drive if his man over-commits on the close out.
3. He doesn't really have a post game per se, but he's crafty around the rim and if he gets the ball there, he's going to figure out a way to out it off the glass.
4. His height and quick release means he's able to get 3s off and hit a decent clip even if the defense is good. That's important, because at the moment he's forced to be offensive option number 1 and the looks aren't neccessarily open.
Maybe later I'll compile a list of 30 players I think are better than Anderson. I think he's great, but not top 30. But for this team on his contract? You're damn right it's a steal.
it is tough to judge...in a vacuum i think i might consider rudy gay a better player than anderson in a vacuum since he can create his own shot at the end of games...anderson is a better 3rd option than gay on a team but not a better first option on a team if that makes sense...if we had davis and gordon, then anderson is perfect for this team
Well Hollingers Per has him rated 25. So I think saying he is top 30 isn't too far off base. Sure people might see names and think "oh so and so is better." But thats just due to name, and cache it brings. Anderson is a quiet top flight player. He is David West. Everybody knew he was underrated, and he kept doing his job, while we here at home knew him as a top 4 at his craft. As is Anderson. Undervalued.
Bottom line is Rudy Gay is being paid almost twice what Ryno is and is nowhere close to as efficient in putting up numbers. Creating your own shot is great, but many of the shots he creates are deep twos he hits inefficiently. Nearly all of Ryan's shots are at the rim, where he converts a high percentage, and behind the three point line, where he converts a high percentage. In addition, he's a terrific offensive rebounder and converts on those. The possessions Rudy Gay consumes will be below average in productivity, the possessions Ryan consumes will be the best possessions your team will have. As a third option, give me Anderson every time. As a first option, I think you're screwed either way.
as i said anderson is a better third option by a far margin too imo...and i agree you are probably still screwed wit having gay as a #1 option...but if we are ranking players in a vacuum and not based on how they fit on a team then gay is still a better #1 option then anderson...there is a reason anderson couldnt get the ball in overtime
Anyone who thinks Ryno is better than Rudy Gay is insane. I understand that forum guys and ESPN judge players by metrics but all metrics are subjective. Use the eye test. The game is so much easier for Gay than Ryno. I like Ryno b/c he's a great shooter but at the end of the day he's 1 dimensional. When it's go to time for a bucket and I need the ball in someone's hands, I'd give it to Gay. I'd have Ryno behind the arc waiting for a 3 b/c that's what he's best at. But there is no question about how valuable a player Ryno is to the Hornets.
Gay is overrated. A high volume scorer. Doesn't do anything else well. Isn't a great scorer either. Eye ball test tells me that. He coattails his two big men and Conley.
My list of guys I rank above Ryno. Not taking salary or potential into the equation. Just ranking them based on who I would want today to try and win a title this year. By position, the guys I would take over Ryno:
PG:
CP3
Tony Parker
Rondo
Westbrook
Rose
D-Will
Kyrie
SG
Kobe
Harden
Wade
Iggy
SF
LBJ
Durant
Melo
Pierce
Deng
PF
Love
Duncan
KG
Aldridge
Josh Smith
Bosh
Zach Randolph
C
Marc Gasol
Dwight
Greg Monroe
Tyson Chandler
So I have 27 guys ahead of him. I got another 8 or so that are close or could go either way. Of the 26 I have ahead of him, Monroe and Kyrie are on their rookie deals and are getting paid less than him, the other 25 are getting paid more and in some cases, twice as much. Debateable top 30 player in the league. No question top 40, and a salary that makes him one of the top 20 values in the league IMO.
And before anyone asks- No I did not forget anybody. I would personally take Anderson over Blake, Gay, and Ibaka. Those three were the closest for me along with Andy V. and Al Horford
You forgot Dirk for sure... and even then there are a lot of guys better than Anderson not shown. I'm a huge fan of Ryno but he's the 10-15th best Pf in the NBA, while that is a deep position he has to be the third best player on a team for you to win anything. You could make the playoffs with him as your 2nd option
I can agree with that list, and i would leave those guys you mentioned (including Dirk) off as well. Ryno is on his way up. He is proving on a bad team how valuable he is. He is all over the place with boards, scoring, and blocking. While he doesn't dominate in any one area, he is above average in most.
With Davis on this team, i don't think anyone will truly value him correctly (much like West with CP3 here), but he is that good I would keep him in the top 30.
I haven't really watched the past couple of games but does he have a post game?
He has an "on-the-go" post game. He isn't traditional, but when he gets down there, he is crafty as hell - sort of like a Luis Scola, below-the-rim, type player in the post.
I firmly believe Anderson is a top-30 player, and he isn't a prima donna about it either like a lot of other guys are. He does all of the gritty work, and that adds another dimension to his game - not to mention the spacing he provides for others.
Anderson, Davis, and Gordon will make a great trio for us going forward. Very complimentary group right there. Add in Rivers + whoever we get in FA this year, and we'll be a very competitive team.
People will say "but Anderson can't create his own shot" as if the players they champion above him have no weakness.
Blake Griffin- you can't even have him on the floor at the end of games. Rudy Gay is an inefficient scorer and has never made his teammates better, and on and on.
What I like about Anderson is he does two things at an elite level on the offensive end, both of which can help his team without him having the ball. His elite three-point shooting creates space for everybody on the court. His offensive rebounding creates more opportunities for players on his team. How does Rudy Gay help you when the ball isn't in his hands?
If you step back and look at the hundreds of moving parts that effect every plays outcomes, I just firmly believe that Anderson is one of the 30 best players in the league- not only because of what he does, but because of what he provides for teammates, and what he doesn't do (take tons of shots to get points, miss free throws, etc).
That is the thing I love, and the reason I am happy he is here. It doesn't take him 10 shots to get his rhythm. He can come in cold and within 2 or 3 shots get on point.
If Davis and Lopez can handle down low, and Grevis/Rivers/etc. can find open players, Anderson and Gordon are going to make it rain on some people.
He's a key piece to this team puzzle. If we were all healthy and full go, we'd be dangerous. Not contending dangerous, but no one could sleep on us.
So what everyone is saying is that if we redraft the league today, R. Anderson would be in the 1st 30 players picked. I call bs. Don't get me wrong, I like Ryno but let's not get carried away. He's the 3rd best player on our team so it's hard for me to believe that you would take him in the top 30. That means that the Hornets have 3 of the top 30 players in the league. He's definitely in the top 10 - 15 PF's.
Yea Anderson has been a complete ballaholic this season. He's a beast. We'll get those W's eventually
He's close to being both, but you would have to imagine a lot of guys on rookie contracts would be taken in this scenario. However, would a GM pick Ryno over KG and Duncan? Probably. How about Bosh, who makes nearly 10 mil per season more? I know I would. Same with Z-Bo. I think he is somewhere between 27 and 35 purely based on how he is playing right now and probably around the same range when you talk about production and potential relative to cost. I mean, even if you prefer Blake Griffin as a player, it would be hard to argue he is twice as good and that is what Blake's new extension will be paying him.
And as for the person who said he can't be this high on the list because he is the third best player on this team. Based on what? Based on NBA production over the past couple of seasons and this year, he is clearly the best player on this team right now. That is why I considered him the runaway favorite for team MVP this year.
We're talking strictly basketball. I'm not including salary. When you talk about best of the best, you don't reference salaries. How does that factor in the top 30 talk? I follow what you are saying but, really? Someone said that they'd take Ryno over Dirk. Who really believes that Ryno is better than Dirk?
You have some good points, and you're entitled to you opinion. A few things I agree on and some i disagree on:
For his salary, he is more valuable than a lot of other players and you nailed a few of them; ie Blake Griffin, but value in the NBA value isn't only determined by salary and current ability on the court. It's also defined by other factors such as perceived talent ceiling, and marketability; and front offices are in charge of making money as much as producing a championship. Blake Griffin is an absolutely interesting case because I completely agree with you. As far as on the court, what he does, etc I like Ryno more; but as a GM i'd feel Blake has a chance to be a star if he develops a 15-17 footer and solid weak side defense. He has all of the physical tools for it. He also has the shock and awe factor which can play a factor in games and marketing. So I don't think I would take Ryno over him, as much as I like the guy.
As far as taking Anderson over Duncan or KG, I don't think that's as much as a slam dunk as you say. It's where the team is and their needs on who they would prefer. Do you think Boston right now would take Ryno over Duncan? I don't. Do you think the Spurs, the Nets, the Knicks or the Heat would? I don't. Do I think the rest of the league that's not contending would? Probably. I would take Ryno over guys like Z-Bo and Gay though.
Your list is pretty on point and after reviewing it, it really makes me think the NBA isn't quite as talented as I thought it was. That being said I think Anderson is still a fringe top 30 player (not much diffence in the talent from 25-35 really).
Are there 30 more popular trendy names? Yes.
Ryno is top 30. And yes, I would take him over Dirk, KG, heck I would even take him over Rudy Gay. He is that good.
Dirk brings one thing now. He barely brought size, but he doesn't even sniff the paint now. Mr. Anderson can score from anywhere.
Ryan Anderson is on pace for 280 3 pointers this year. That would be the most all time.
In comparrison:
The most Ray Allen had in a year was 269.
The most Reggie Miller had in a year was 229.
The most Peja had in a year was 240.
I think he'll slow down later in the year and finish around 240-250. If he exceeds that number, I still won't be surprised.
I like looking at the Clippers bigs stat lines for tonight and thinking "yeah, Ryno had a hand in that."
This is why I was so confused during the offseason when Lopez had five times as many posts dedicated to him and 10 times as many views compared to Ryan Anderson. Anderson was the second best FA in this class behind D-Will and getting him was a coup. Meanwhile, I really dont think Lopez will be here in 2 years.
I really can't wait to see this team offensively once Davis and Gordon come back and take the minutes we are giving the Lance Thomas's, Xavier Henry's and Roger Mason's of the world. I think defense will be a season long struggle, but this could be a top 5 offense when we are 100% healthy
Ryan's rating is 69 in 2K13. That is laughable.
Anyone know how to get him to spot up outside three in the game, especially in transition?