Grade Dell Demps as G.M. (Give Honest Assessment)

Give the Pros, and Cons on Dell Demps right now. What has he done right, and what has he done wrong? Don't forget to grade him in the poll. In the next couple of days we will do Gentry. Again this is not who knows better, This is strictly your thoughts!

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Finding minimum guys. DMo. Dante. Ennis. Frazier. Jones. Finding 'Internationals' Ayon. Roberts. Ajinca ( :) ).
Draft Diallo (2 for 1. Good guess). Finding BDJ.
Great offers for RFA. Ryno and RoLo
Small QPon and Cole moves.
Not bad offer Reke.
AD was no brainer

Minus
CP3 LAKERS trade. LAC trade was not good but nailed AD.
Draft.
EJ extension.
EJ nad Ryno walk.
Not proper use of Ariza. We had great frickin SF
And more...

In total good small moves and bad big moves.
Because of Benson or not. Does not matter.

I believed him many times in past. But he failed my expectations.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Plus
Finding minimum guys. DMo. Dante. Ennis. Frazier. Jones. Finding 'Internationals' Ayon. Roberts. Ajinca ( :) ).
Draft Diallo (2 for 1. Good guess). Finding BDJ.
Great offers for RFA. Ryno and RoLo
Small QPon and Cole moves.
Not bad offer Reke.
AD was no brainer

Minus
CP3 LAKERS trade. LAC trade was not good but nailed AD.
Draft.
EJ extension.
EJ nad Ryno walk.
Not proper use of Ariza. We had great frickin SF
And more...

In total good small moves and bad big moves.
Because of Benson or not. Does not matter.

I believed him many times in past. But he failed my expectations.

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I gave a C for all the reasons above. Nothing really pushed the needle but he's gotten us to borderline playoffs, meaning an average team. I think one of his biggest mistakes was firing Monty. He was a young learning coach that got the most out of his players and the biggest thing is coached to his team to their strengths. Not doing like gentry and trying to fit the player to his system.

Someone gave him an A?

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I hesitated between C and D. It is a C cause he has been really unlucky with injuries and the team (teams) he envisioned never had a chance to play for a longer time. On the other hand though with AD playing great having this record is outrageous

I acknowledge that he has made some good low-end signings, but I went D because we have had a top 10 player for 4 seasons and we have 0 playoff wins to show for it.

low end signings does not a good GM make.

This isn't passable GMsmanship by any means. It's a D.

I gave him what I consider a C-... I see him a little less than average, and unless he pulls off something pretty special very soon, he needs to be replaced... heck, probably should be replaced even if he does manage to pull rabbit out of the hat.... not an easy job, but there are some out there that would be better at it...

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Originally Posted by ramsters60

I gave him what I consider a C-... I see him a little less than average, and unless he pulls off something pretty special very soon, he needs to be replaced... heck, probably should be replaced even if he does manage to pull rabbit out of the hat.... not an easy job, but there are some out there that would be better at it...

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who's worse right now?...

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

who's worse right now?...

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GM: Sun's, Kings, Knicks, 76ers. I don't have time to name them all. Now but probably a good 10 or so GMs I'd say are worse.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

GM: Sun's, Kings, Knicks, 76ers. I don't have time to name them all. Now but probably a good 10 or so GMs I'd say are worse.

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What why? Suns GM (Ryan McDonough) drafted Booker and has 0 bad contracts except maybe Knight. The Knight trade was dumb, as was the IT trade but still deserves a lot of credit for finding IT and Dragic and getting them on stupid good contracts. Managed to turn Markieff and Dragic in to good first round picks. The suns have a ton draft picks right now. I'd easily take that resume over Demps.

Kings: eh maybe. Nobody will sign with them as long as they have that idiot owner. I hardly blame Divac for that mess. And still Kings are closer to the playoffs with Cousins than we are with AD. He did make a great coach signing. More than we can say.

Knicks: Jackson hasn't been THAT bad. Still drafted KPorz which is more than Demps has ever done and took some serious balls. Lee and Rose look good for them. He got them winning again. Only awful move made so far was signing Noah to that contract.

76ers: Nah, Colangelo was bad in Toronto yea, but still better than Demps. I think he's only made good moves as GM of the 76ers so far.

What has hurt Dell in his era as Pelicans GM is injuries. All of the top players he acquired has been or was injured for a long periods of time. Sure, some contracts were a bit bloated for little production, but that is what contracts are banked on (potential). I truly believe this team is one offseason away from competing legitimately in the Western Conference. He has to look into acquiring a #2 for AD now.

After reading that it's clear you will find any way to excuse other GMs to hate on Dell.

I see Demps is a member of PR.com.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I see Demps is a member of PR.com.

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Because most are rating him between average and below average? Lol

think he meant the A rating.

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Originally Posted by Champ

Someone gave him an A?

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His wife.

Oh this is a poll? I can't see. I'm on mobile.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Oh this is a poll? I can't see. I'm on mobile.

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I'm on a mobile.
Change your settings on the bottom of the page.
"Desktop settings" or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

GM: Sun's, Kings, Knicks, 76ers. I don't have time to name them all. Now but probably a good 10 or so GMs I'd say are worse.

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I thought Hinkie quit?

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

What why? Suns GM (Ryan McDonough) drafted Booker and has 0 bad contracts except maybe Knight. The Knight trade was dumb, as was the IT trade but still deserves a lot of credit for finding IT and Dragic and getting them on stupid good contracts. Managed to turn Markieff and Dragic in to good first round picks. The suns have a ton draft picks right now. I'd easily take that resume over Demps.

Kings: eh maybe. Nobody will sign with them as long as they have that idiot owner. I hardly blame Divac for that mess. And still Kings are closer to the playoffs with Cousins than we are with AD. He did make a great coach signing. More than we can say.

Knicks: Jackson hasn't been THAT bad. Still drafted KPorz which is more than Demps has ever done and took some serious balls. Lee and Rose look good for them. He got them winning again. Only awful move made so far was signing Noah to that contract.

76ers: Nah, Colangelo was bad in Toronto yea, but still better than Demps. I think he's only made good moves as GM of the 76ers so far.

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Well said .

Whoever said A must be a troll or a relative.

I'd say a D+ but C- is fair IMO. The big moves just blow up in his face and those are the moves that make or break teams. I get the injuries and that's the only thing that makes it not as bad. However his plan left little to no room for injuries.

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Originally Posted by Champ

I thought Hinkie quit?

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Do people still try and think Hinkie was a bad GM.

Breaking News, for everyone that wanted to frame the Jrue trade as the battle of ideologies: Hinkie won.

Hinkie won big.

"The Process" has yielded "The Process" AND Ben Simmons, Jahlil Okafor, Robert Covington, Nerlens Noel multiple future first rounders, tons of cap space. They are in a very positive position right now. No guarantee the current brass will capitalize properly on that or that unintended events couldn't derail it, but the Sixers are a very promising young by team.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Do people still try and think Hinkie was a bad GM.

Breaking News, for everyone that wanted to frame the Jrue trade as the battle of ideologies: Hinkie won.

Hinkie won big.

"The Process" has yielded "The Process" AND Ben Simmons, Jahlil Okafor, Robert Covington, Nerlens Noel multiple future first rounders, tons of cap space. They are in a very positive position right now. No guarantee the current brass will capitalize properly on that or that unintended events couldn't derail it, but the Sixers are a very promising young by team.

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The Sixers have been "promising" for over 6 years now. Hinkie no longer has a job. Not much to show for MKW. They are going to get low-balled for Noel & Okafor. The reason they have tons of cap space is because nobody wants to play there and their young players are still ???. At this rate, it'll still be a minimun 5 years before they even sniff the playoffs...in the east.

If Hinkie won "big" he'd still be employed.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

The Sixers have been "promising" for over 6 years now. Hinkie no longer has a job. Not much to show for MKW. They are going to get low-balled for Noel & Okafor. The reason they have tons of cap space is because nobody wants to play there and their young players are still ???. At this rate, it'll still be a minimun 5 years before they even sniff the playoffs...in the east.

If Hinkie won "big" he'd still be employed.

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It was always a 5 year plan to get back to the playoffs for them. That was stated at the beginning of Hinkie's tenure. And they got an incredibly valuable pick for MCW (can't remember if they've used it yet or not). They definitely drafted too many big men, but their asset base is easily top 5 in the league and Embiid looks like a superstar. Give them one of the billion PG's in this draft and they look phenomenal. I don't get how anyone can look at Hinkie objectively and say that he failed. He just got screwed by the Colangelos.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

The Sixers have been "promising" for over 6 years now. Hinkie no longer has a job. Not much to show for MKW. They are going to get low-balled for Noel & Okafor. The reason they have tons of cap space is because nobody wants to play there and their young players are still ???. At this rate, it'll still be a minimun 5 years before they even sniff the playoffs...in the east.

If Hinkie won "big" he'd still be employed.

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Hinkie did what Demps should have done if Benson really gave him a mandate. Sam quit when management lost their nerve from all the outside criticism and hired Calengallo. Hinkie is winning big because although he's not the GM for Philly when he's ready teams will give him a chance. I don't think that will be the case if/when Demps is fired.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Hinkie did what Demps should have done if Benson really gave him a mandate. Sam quit when management lost their nerve from all the outside criticism and hired Calengallo. Hinkie is winning big because although he's not the GM for Philly when he's ready teams will give him a chance. I don't think that will be the case if/when Demps is fired.

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When it comes to folks who believe in the 76ers "process" you notice you have to keep using words like "will", "should", "could"? How long will it take for folks like you to realize the 76ers "process" has not worked out? They are STILL having to rely on rookies as we speak in 2017 and that was NOT the plan way back when this began.

There is no one way or best way to do things. The Pelicans and 76ers are two prime examples of that.

Boston is a prime example of using all avenues to build their team with good timing on signings. Yet, they are still not a title contender.

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Originally Posted by Nola3

It was always a 5 year plan to get back to the playoffs for them. That was stated at the beginning of Hinkie's tenure. And they got an incredibly valuable pick for MCW (can't remember if they've used it yet or not). They definitely drafted too many big men, but their asset base is easily top 5 in the league and Embiid looks like a superstar. Give them one of the billion PG's in this draft and they look phenomenal. I don't get how anyone can look at Hinkie objectively and say that he failed. He just got screwed by the Colangelos.

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Well thats the thing. It's looking more like a 10 year plan because the 5 years has passed already. Don't lose count. Yes, he failed.

Looking at Philadelphia's situation compared to ours, I do envy them quite a bit. We have AD, and a bunch of miscast parts that aren't very lucrative in trades. Philly has a lot of assets that they could move and improve the team. Them not making improvements right now is fine, as one last year in the lottery will net them the pg they need to make that team run. The Henkie plan was not going to end last season, it still had another year to go. But man, they have a lot of assets, and tons of cap space. Really a blank canvas.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

The Sixers have been "promising" for over 6 years now. Hinkie no longer has a job. Not much to show for MKW. They are going to get low-balled for Noel & Okafor. The reason they have tons of cap space is because nobody wants to play there and their young players are still ???. At this rate, it'll still be a minimun 5 years before they even sniff the playoffs...in the east.

If Hinkie won "big" he'd still be employed.

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You act like owners are some arbiter of excellent decision-making. If that were the case everyone's internal organizational structure would look like the well oiled machines of the Warriors and Spurs.

And the guy they replaced Hinkie with is largely doing the exact same thing. They aren't out there cashing in like mad men and trying to desperately win in the short term. It seems more like a PR move meant to address pressures. And MCW was actually a brilliant Hinkie move. He didn't pull a Demps and overvalue his decision, he recognized the inferiority of his own player before the market did and managed to sell him for the Lakers top 5 protected first rounder. That is an incredible haul for MCW.

You just do not go from the bottom in a small market to the top in the NBA in short order. This is not the NFL. And that sort of lack of resilience and recognition of the task to rebuild is why the Pelicans are in the situation they are in. Barely any better then the Sixers but with a much, MUCH worse asset base to work with and much less flexibility.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Looking at Philadelphia's situation compared to ours, I do envy them quite a bit. We have AD, and a bunch of miscast parts that aren't very lucrative in trades. Philly has a lot of assets that they could move and improve the team. Them not making improvements right now is fine, as one last year in the lottery will net them the pg they need to make that team run. The Henkie plan was not going to end last season, it still had another year to go. But man, they have a lot of assets, and tons of cap space. Really a blank canvas.

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They actually have 2 likely top ten picks this year. In what is a strong draft.

They could realistically get Markelle Fultz and someone like Jonathan Isaac.

Thats not a bad core to work with and develop going forward:

Fultz, Simmons, Isaac, Embiid, Saric, Luwawu, Covington, Okafor and Noel.

The last two you could probably sell for solid role players and draft picks to keep a flow of developmental talent on favorable contracts.

If you are a high sought after GM what job do you think they are going to take first? The Sixers or the Pelicans? That would be my challenge to the Hinkie haters.

I went with B.

He consistently puts a decent team together and then it gets decimated by injuries. Came close to a C but Gordon, Ryno, Jrue, Qpon, even AD.... Our overall record would be insanely better with just normal luck on health and we would probably have had an easier time attracting better FAs.

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Originally Posted by Champ

Someone gave him an A?

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I'm result oriented and if you look at the record of every teams in the last 6 years (https://www.statmuse.com/questions/5...0-fbcf514976eb), this team is bottom 6 in the league while having always few cap space and trading multiple draftpicks so no incentive to tank except one year. That's brutal.

I mean even the train wreck named the Nets have a better record on that span than the hornets/pels under Demps tenure.

The fact that he can find some good 7-8th man doesn't improve him much his grade. He's a plain D, maybe even D-minus.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

You act like owners are some arbiter of excellent decision-making. If that were the case everyone's internal organizational structure would look like the well oiled machines of the Warriors and Spurs.

And the guy they replaced Hinkie with is largely doing the exact same thing. They aren't out there cashing in like mad men and trying to desperately win in the short term. It seems more like a PR move meant to address pressures. And MCW was actually a brilliant Hinkie move. He didn't pull a Demps and overvalue his decision, he recognized the inferiority of his own player before the market did and managed to sell him for the Lakers top 5 protected first rounder. That is an incredible haul for MCW.

You just do not go from the bottom in a small market to the top in the NBA in short order. This is not the NFL. And that sort of lack of resilience and recognition of the task to rebuild is why the Pelicans are in the situation they are in. Barely any better then the Sixers but with a much, MUCH worse asset base to work with and much less flexibility.

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How can you call it an "incredible haul" when they still have not been able to use that pick? And it's still top 3 protected this year. Colangelo hasn't been able to do much because nobody wants to sign there. It doesn't matter how much cap space you have. Unless you can package a trade, which will be difficult for the 76ers to do, it's a two way street.

You can't just keep looking at draft picks and cap space going on a decade and continue to praise that when there have been 0 results in the W/L column. You can't even see growth. It has been an obvious failure to this point. The model franshises for this (OKC, San Antonio) took nowhere near this long. These are facts.

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Originally Posted by Blattman

I'm result oriented and if you look at the record of every teams in the last 6 years (https://www.statmuse.com/questions/5...0-fbcf514976eb), this team is bottom 6 in the league while having always few cap space and trading multiple draftpicks so no incentive to tank except one year. That's brutal.

I mean even the train wreck named the Nets have a better record on that span than the hornets/pels under Demps tenure.

The fact that he can find some good 7-8th man doesn't improve him much his grade. He's a plain D, maybe even D-minus.

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Did you factor injuries into your results for each team? There is a rather well known graph that shows this franchise has had abnormally bad luck in that department. That counts.

The Nets play in the east.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

How can you call it an "incredible haul" when they still have not been able to use that pick? And it's still top 3 protected this year. Colangelo hasn't been able to do much because nobody wants to sign there. It doesn't matter how much cap space you have. Unless you can package a trade, which will be difficult for the 76ers to do, it's a two way street.

You can't just keep looking at draft picks and cap space going on a decade and continue to praise that when there have been 0 results in the W/L column. You can't even see growth. It has been an obvious failure to this point. The model franshises for this (OKC, San Antonio) took nowhere near this long. These are facts.

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MCW for a top 5 protected Lakers pick is one of the better asset coups in recent memory.

But yes, of course they could screw it up. But the move itself was very wise and very good. You are literally the only person I have read trying to downplay that trade.

You have a very superficial way of judging organizational success and improvement if all you base it on is the w/l column in what is clearly a work in progress rebuild.

So let's reset the clock then, tell me with your superior knowledge what the Sixers should have done and why it would of produced a better team and long-term positioning for the franchise????

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Did you factor injuries into your results for each team? There is a rather well known graph that shows this franchise has had abnormally bad luck in that department. That counts.

The Nets play in the east.

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Wait so we are making injury excuses for the Pels but you want to ignore the injury issues the Sixers faced in their rebuild that lengthened the first phase in Hinkies plan when it suits your argument? At least be consistent in your approach.

I'm sorry this has become a defend Sam Hinkie thread, but this is one of my biggest NBA pet peeves. Look at what he had when he took over. That franchise had just pulled off the Bynum trade that left them completely bare. They had basically no assets other than Jrue and were looking like a well-below average team for the foreseeable future. Then he came in and tore everything down, restocked their cupboard, picked up some incredible young talent, and set them up for the next 15 years.

You keep saying that they can't sign anyone, but who have they tried to sign? Like Bronco said, injuries may have delayed stage 2 for a few years, but when they decide to leverage their assets into a complete roster, it's going to be stacked with young talent and complementary vets who they got by overpaying (because they have the flexibility to do so) or by overwhelming teams with a trade offer (because they have the asset base to do so). To go from Andrew Bynum taking that team out by the knees 5 years ago, to where they are today is nothing short of miraculous.

I gave Demps an F based solely on the Gentry hire. He should have done a more thorough search for Monty's replacement instead of falling in love with a PowerPoint presentation. The only player moves I have an issue with are the Asik and Hill signings.

Didn't Demps interview nearly everyone?

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Originally Posted by luckyman

When it comes to folks who believe in the 76ers "process" you notice you have to keep using words like "will", "should", "could"? How long will it take for folks like you to realize the 76ers "process" has not worked out? They are STILL having to rely on rookies as we speak in 2017 and that was NOT the plan way back when this began.

There is no one way or best way to do things. The Pelicans and 76ers are two prime examples of that.

Boston is a prime example of using all avenues to build their team with good timing on signings. Yet, they are still not a title contender.

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I much rather have people talking about my work with excitement for the future as opposed to the way people talk about the Pelicans future.

I'd give him a D. He's got some good qualities but I think the mistakes he's made have been pretty significant. He has regularly misjudged the future trade value of players/contracts which has lead to him painting himself into corners.

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Originally Posted by Nola3

I'm sorry this has become a defend Sam Hinkie thread, but this is one of my biggest NBA pet peeves. Look at what he had when he took over. That franchise had just pulled off the Bynum trade that left them completely bare. They had basically no assets other than Jrue and were looking like a well-below average team for the foreseeable future. Then he came in and tore everything down, restocked their cupboard, picked up some incredible young talent, and set them up for the next 15 years.

You keep saying that they can't sign anyone, but who have they tried to sign? Like Bronco said, injuries may have delayed stage 2 for a few years, but when they decide to leverage their assets into a complete roster, it's going to be stacked with young talent and complementary vets who they got by overpaying (because they have the flexibility to do so) or by overwhelming teams with a trade offer (because they have the asset base to do so). To go from Andrew Bynum taking that team out by the knees 5 years ago, to where they are today is nothing short of miraculous.

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They've been tanking for 4 years and still one of the worst teams in the NBA. 10 wins and 25 losses is miraculous? Lol.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

They've been tanking for 4 years and still one of the worst teams in the NBA. 10 wins and 25 losses is miraculous? Lol.

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We haven't tanked and are still really really bad and no assets to show for. AD doesn't count as I count this the first year. Lets see where Philly are after 6 years.

He gets a D for his (albeit good) ability to find cheap nobodies to fill holes that still manage to produce. While he has been pretty good at that, that's just about the lowest impact GM skill that he could have...hence the D. Otherwise, he's primarily been a disaster (particularly now that he's been able to pick his coach only to have worse results).

Maybe not all Demps fault

Mickey Loomis loves dead money so much he's infected Dell Demps?

— David Fisher (@DavidFisherTBW) January 10, 2017

I gave him a C.

I think moving forward we should give someone else the reigns but overall I can't be super mad at Dell. He gave the team a chance to succeed and the team failed him. Jrue, EG, Reke, Ryno, AD was a great core conceptually but it just didnt have synergy in reality.

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