If the Knicks wanted to salary dump Tyson next year, would anybody else be in for bringing him back next to Davis? After reading how Tyson taught and mentored Davis every practice and even worked with him after I would be all for it! He has always loved New Orleans just didn't like how he was treated when traded. It is a new regime so all of that wouldn't even matter. Davis and Tyson would be an elite big man combo. It would bring him and the team along so well in terms of defense. He would bring that veteran leadership and championship experience we are in need of. If Knicks are knocked out 1st round in NY, it is inevitable media calls for people's heads and some players are moved. Let me know what packages it would take or just straight up don't want him.
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12-19-2012, 08:45 PMGuardianAngel25AD next to Tyson!? Love it? Hate it? Explain!
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12-19-2012, 08:49 PMZach Leto
Why would they dump Tyson? He's playing great.
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12-19-2012, 08:52 PMB504ever
They will dump Amar'e Stoudemire before they dump Tyson.
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12-19-2012, 08:52 PMGuardianAngel25If they get beat again its just nature of the beast in NY. They will dump anybody but Carmelo. Amare will be impossible to move. They can't afford to sign anybody else with that big 3. If we could give them Lopez who is a serviceable center and sign a good veteran for cheap then they can afford to go after Cp3 or maybe someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach Leto
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12-19-2012, 08:56 PMGuardianAngel25
I doubt they will dump him, but he is on a big contract. If they need to make a run a Cp3 even though Tyson would be a reason he comes they can't afford him. Amare will not be moved without taking tons of salary on. Just throwing it out seeing if anyone would be for it. Not a strong possibility, but if someone out there were to make the move we would be best suited and capable with cap. I know it's wishful thinking just wondering how others would feel and what we would give up or be willing to.
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12-19-2012, 09:16 PMP Raff
So he is an elite defender with a slightly above average offensive game. He's 30 years old, and has 2 years left on his contract, 14 mil for 2013 and 14.5 mill for 2014.
Having said that, if I could get him without giving up too much, I do it in a second. I'm not one to propose trades, so I'll let other people do that. Let's see what the board can think of. -
12-19-2012, 09:21 PMnolaslim213
If they are looking for a straight up salary dump, we can absorb Chandler's salary fully. If they want some young players they think they can mold into role players, we can give them both Aminu and Henry. If they want a cheap replacement center, we can give them Lopez.
Obviously, the above suggestions are based on them trying to dump salary because they are paying major tax dollars. -
12-19-2012, 09:25 PMnolaslim213
Trade 1: We get Tyson Chandler, and NYK gets Aminu + our 1st round pick. NYK get to dump major salary, they get a defensive role player in Aminu, and a 1st round pick as a cheap option to add to the mix. This only works if we do it at the end of the season once Rashard Lewis' salary comes off the books.
Trade 2: We get Bledsoe and Caron Butler, and LAC gets Lopez and Henry. Henry gives them a cheap option at backup SG, and Lopez starts over Jordan. They need Center depth to get through the west. We take on Butlers horrible contract sort of as a salary dump.
Roster:
PG - Bledsoe, Rivers, Roberts
SG - Gordon, Rivers
SF - Butler, Miller
PF - Davis, Anderson, Thomas
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12-19-2012, 09:38 PMEman5805
I'd LOVE to get Chandler back. But I don't see them letting Chandler go. He's been behind the Knicks huge defensive resurgence.
Well, that and not having silly ol' D'Antoni at coach anymore. -
12-19-2012, 10:31 PMgreewe
Chandler's one of the best defenders in the NBA and anchors a resurgent Knicks defense. He shot 68% from the field last year, and is shooting 71% from the field this year. The Knicks are 19-6, the best in the east, and the second best in the league.
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12-19-2012, 10:51 PMnolaslim213You are just being cynical. The whole premise of the thread, which the OP clearly outlines in his 1st sentence, is that the Knicks would be trying to dump salary. They aren't trading Melo. Stoudemire is the single most untradeable contract in the NBA considering his injury history. Tyson is the only other candidate.Quote:
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Don't be that way man. We don't need that **** cluttering this board. -
12-19-2012, 10:57 PMPelicans78
The Knicks aren't gonna dump Chandler anytime soon. They're a contender right now and for the near future. That team would fall apart without Chandler just like the Mavs and the Hornets did.
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12-19-2012, 11:41 PMGuardianAngel25This is what I was looking for! Nice trade idea and could be a possibility. After trades I have seen in the NBA in recent years go for almost nothing and teams dumping players you wouldn't believe even when they are good. Then you see some things Dell has done and he is always working exploring all options honestly you just never know. We have so much flexibility and in pieces to offer while being able to absorb a 3rd team deal. Let them dump a player and give Knicks something. Thanks for nice proposal would absolutely love Bledsoe that's who I'm really looking for.Quote:
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12-19-2012, 11:42 PMPelicans78
Why are the Knicks dumping salary again?
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12-19-2012, 11:45 PMMonsterMashThey're not. And if they were, Chandler would net a lot more than anything the Hornets can give up that's not named Anthony Davis or Ryan Anderson. Chandler's one of the best players in the league, and he's played out of his mind for the two seasons he's been in New York.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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12-20-2012, 01:37 AMNsingh93AD next to Tyson!? Love it? Hate it? Explain!So since this is all hypothetical talk, if NYK does get rid of Chandler to make cap space and pursue Paul, which is the only way I see them trying to move their best big man,Now lets say they do why would LA trade it's only potential filled PG and experienced SF?Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
Anyway if it was clear NYK was pursuing Paul and he had no intention of returning to LA, i would think NYK would end up trading Chandler, Felton and a pick for Paul or something along that line. -
12-20-2012, 10:37 AMSujaguar00AD next to Tyson!? Love it? Hate it? Explain!
I agree w/ 93, the Clippers don't trade Bledsoe for a back-up 5 (I think Jordan still starts if they make the deal w/ us you propose) and a STUGGLING tweener (Henry). And Butler is a good defender that can knock down an open three and is tough a nails.
I like the idea of upgrading at the PG position, but those two assets (Bledsoe and Butler) will cost us more that Lopez and Henry. -
12-20-2012, 10:46 AMgreeweI'm not being cynical. I'm being educated. What evidence do we have that the Knicks, the highest-revenue team in the NBA (http://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/#p_1_s_d5_), want to "dump salary," when they are finally contenders for the first time in what feels like forever? Especially when Tyson Chandler is one of the biggest reasons they are finally contenders. It makes zero sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
If the Knicks ever need to "dump" Chandler, they could do better than what the Hornets could possibly offer. If you showed this thread to Knicks fans, they would die laughing. Tyson Chandler for Aminu and Henry? It's akin to Lakers fans posting threads about how we'll give them Ryan Anderson for their peanuts.
I don't think my objective, realistic post is what's cluttering the board. -
12-20-2012, 11:24 AMIamQuailman
100% agree with greewe.
WTH would the Knicks dump salary of a piece that ignites defense for their team?
Aminu + Henry/Lopez + Henry/Vasquez + Aminu won't amount squat. Aminu may be expiring, but he's riding the bench. We couldn't even dump Kaman last year for anything... and he actually brought value to the team. Henry is BLAH at best. -
12-20-2012, 11:26 AMIamQuailman
btw LOL @ Lopez and Henry netting us Butler and Bledsoe.
Pipedreams, at best. -
12-20-2012, 11:54 AMnolaslim213Now you're being self-righteous. The first part of your post wasn't bad. It's pretty similar to the other people in this thread who think the Knicks will never dump Chandler. That is a perfectly valid opinion, and I have no problem with that. My problem comes when you post your ridiculous "I guess while we're dreaming.... blah blah blah." That stuff just incites animosity, and there is already enough of that on this board. No need for that BS.Quote:
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12-20-2012, 11:56 AMnolaslim213As of right now, Lopez, by himself, is easily worth more to the Clippers than Bledsoe is - especially once Billups comes back. Lopez has been very good for us since he came here, but we have a wealth of big men between Davis, Anderson, and JSmith. It's just a reallocation of assets from a position of strength to a position of need.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamQuailman
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12-20-2012, 11:57 AMInner_GII do not see our "wealth" of big men. Without Lopez we really only have one big man in Davis and he is still working on bulking up.Quote:
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12-20-2012, 12:05 PMnolaslim213Davis never defends the opposing team's center. If it isn't Lopez, it's either Anderson or Jason Smith. The only time Davis defends the opposing Center is when they go small, or when we have a defensive rotation, and he has to slide over. Plus, we can add another guy during the off season if we want. Doesn't even have to be an elite player. Just someone who can give us 10 solid minutes a night. If Davis and Anderson give us 35 minutes a night, and Smith gives us 20 a night, then we're good at the position. Thomas is the 4th big in the rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
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12-20-2012, 12:14 PMRaisingTheBarAnyone want Amare?Quote:
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12-20-2012, 12:53 PMgreeweI've posted facts about Chandler as a player, the Knicks' basketball success this season, and the Knicks' financial success as a franchise. I've directed nothing personal at anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
You've specifically called me "cynical," told me my "****" is "cluttering the board," called me "self-righteous," and called my post "ridiculous." And I'm the one inciting animosity?
Let's just take a deep breath. There's no need for personal attacks. Let's be adults and agree to disagree about the possibility that Chandler winds up back in New Orleans. -
12-20-2012, 01:41 PMP RaffNO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO (maybe) NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOQuote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow
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12-20-2012, 02:38 PMInner_GIHaving 2 Bigs that are technically 2 PFs on a roster is a good idea. Smith has structural damage to his shoulder. I doubt he comes back before Feb, and even when he comes back, I don't expect him to be Jason Smith of last year. When we got rid of Warrick it seems like we are injury riddled with bigs. If we ship out Lopez and either Anderson or Davis get hurt we will be starting Smith with whoever and THomas would be our first big off the bench. That is not a good idea. If lopez is to be traded he better net a SF or PG, and then maybe we can throw in Aminu, Henry, and/or Vasquez for another big for the rotation.Quote:
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12-20-2012, 02:48 PMnolaslim213I responded with animosity because you provoked it. That was my point. Either way, we can agree to drop it. And on this topic specifically, I agree with you that NYK is probably not going to dump Chandler, especially since they are winning. However, I was responding to the OP's prompt, which stated that, should NYK want to dump Chandler, could we get him and at what cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by greewe
Nobody in this whole league wants him. He is damaged goods, and he has the worst contract in the entire NBA. He is literally untradeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow
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12-20-2012, 02:52 PMnolaslim213The NBA is moving away from "traditional" Centers and towards hybrid PF/C type guys to fill that role. Makes sense. They offer more versatility, athleticism, and most often, they are better scorers. Miami just won the Championship with Bosh as their center. A lot of teams are moving in that direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
As for this season, if we traded Lopez and Davis/Anderson/Smith got hurt, we would definitely be down for a while, but I'm good with that because we aren't going to make the playoffs anyway. Just better draft positioning for us come the lottery. Next off season, however, we would add another big body to the roster that could give us 5-10 min/game. Doesn't have to be an All Star. -
12-20-2012, 03:25 PMGuardianAngel25
If it means the Knicks can get Cp3 by getting rid of chandlers salary your gonna tell me they wouldn't dump him? Seriously? I'm guessing Cp3 wouldn't be more valuable to the Knicks then Chandler.
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12-20-2012, 04:03 PMBallSoHardThey can't. Look at the cap situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
The salary cap is about 58 million.
their cap figure with Tyson is 76,404,000 next year before any signings. His cap figure is 14 million. which brings you at 62 Million will will be still at or above the cap depending on what the cap moves to at the end of the year. They would have to drop another 16 million or so to make a run at him. -
12-20-2012, 05:51 PMPelicans78
This thread is pretty meaningless.
Also, Bledsoe won't be losing playing time when Billups comes back. Willie Green will instead. -
12-20-2012, 06:24 PMbojangles837eh idk.. with jamal, chaunceys more likely to run the point with the second unitQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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12-20-2012, 06:31 PMNsingh93AD next to Tyson!? Love it? Hate it? Explain!Negative, if Chauncey comes back he'll take Greens spot, that's been the pre-determined role for him since he came to LA. So I would think Bledsoe and Crawford would be the 2nd unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-20-2012, 06:49 PMbojangles837willie green gets 18 minutes a game.. Chauncey should command close to 30 and they aren't going to take minutes away from jamal, therefore Bledsoe loses minutesQuote:
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12-20-2012, 06:54 PMNsingh93I understand the damaged goods bit, but I'm not sure about the contract bit. Not sure what the contract specifications are but people assumed Joe Johnson's contract was untradeable yet Atlanta found someone who was willing to take it to put their team at the next level.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
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12-20-2012, 07:01 PMNsingh93Right, what I'm getting at is they'll take minutes away from Green to get Chauncey his minutes. Since Chauncey's arrived in LA it's all been about a CP3/Billups backcourt. Two guards who can facilitate, create their own shots and carry the ball up. So with Chauncy starting, they would need someone to carry the ball up for the bench, I guess you can make an argument for Crawford to fill that role and Green plays off ball but like everyone's been saying about Bledsoe he's an explosive point guard who's severely underrated. I think Bledsoe ends up being their point off the bench, but with the depth they have at the guard position anything is likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by bojangles837
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12-20-2012, 07:17 PMGuardianAngel25What you said isn't wrong but Bledsoe will lose minute no matter what. He is barely getting minutes now. Jamal Crawford is a way more explosive scorer next to Cp3 than Billups who is more of a point but can be a combo guard. Billups will play both spots and eat into Bledsoes minutes one way or another. So why not get big man with value and make a run with Cp3/Billups and Crawford/Billups/Green. They have Hill coming back also him and Barnes are capable of playing 2 guard. They would be stacked with adding a Lopez and maybe even Vasquez to the second lineup. Bledsoe will be a Hornet just watch.Quote:
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12-20-2012, 07:18 PMbojangles837your last sentence explains it the best, we really don't know what they'll do but i agree green suffers the most with Chauncey backQuote:
Originally Posted by Nsingh93
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12-20-2012, 07:24 PMNsingh93I hear ya, when you have that much depth players are bound to lose minutes. I just think Bledsoe gets the part off the bench over Green. I hope he doesn't because then it makes him easier to trade for.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
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12-20-2012, 07:42 PMnolaslim213He signed a max deal, so that's as high as he can get. Joe Johnson only got traded because Brooklyn is desperate and has a new billionaire owner from Russia who is willing to spend anything, so you can't count on something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nsingh93
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12-20-2012, 07:43 PMGuardianAngel25Yea I definitely think Bledsoe gets it to, but if they can make a move now they do it. Vasquez, Lopez, and future 1st makes to much sense. They get a coveted big man they need under team options. Then a solid combo guard in Vasquez who would play great with Chauncy/Cp3/Crawford however they choose to use him. Cp3 can sign off on the deal and send Bledsoe who he loves and wants to see in a great situation as he has previously stated. He knows Bledsoe will be put in a great place under Monty and Dell along with great young pieces. Maybe it's far fetched, but I believe very attainable and possible. Just pray I guess haha.Quote:
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12-20-2012, 07:46 PMBallSoHardBillionaireQuote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
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12-20-2012, 07:49 PMNsingh93What I meant was I didn't know how much he has left on his contract, but I agree Johnson's situation was a rare one, but i would think the possibility of him being traded depends more on health concerns than financials. Theres got to be a few desperate GMs that are willing to spend that kind of money to get him to put their team on the right path. Desperate GMs willing to trade for an injury prone star? Highly unlikely.Quote:
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12-21-2012, 07:49 AMBallSoHardThe reason it's untradeable is the contract is uninsurable unlike mostly every other contract, not necissarily the $$ or years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nsingh93
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-don...pASdCQ50Rdy.99Quote:
Amar’e may be the popular name to toss out, but the truth of the matter is his contract is all but untradeable. Only a small handful of owners could afford that deal on a good day, let alone if injury strikes.
Stoudemire is owed $18.21 million this year, $19.94 million in 2012-2013, $21.67 million in 2013-2014, and $23.41 million in 2015-2016 for a total of $83.23 million – all of which is uninsured because of Stoudemire’s multiple knee surgeries.
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12-21-2012, 12:34 PMnolaslim213Haha, thanks man. I always do that.Quote:
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12-21-2012, 02:55 PMNsingh93AD next to Tyson!? Love it? Hate it? Explain!I didn't realize it was that bad, but I guess this right here basically puts moving Amare to rest. Attachment 4547Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard