I'm not ignoring this season, etc etc. But I am looking long term for this team. I feel very good about Gordon at the 2, Davis at the 4 and Lopez at the 5. At 23, 19 and 24, these guys could man those positions for years.
Obviously Rivers is a big part of our future as well, and you would think that would be at PG. But if we are going to make a major improvement on this team, I believe it is at PG and SF, and Rivers can get plenty of minutes as a swing.
Seeing as we have max money and plenty of guys that would make suitable backups, I wanted to look what's truly out there to make a big splash in 2013. And what jumps out is the PG position.
Now I know people will want to dream of Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. And that's fine, but if you take them out of the equation as well as the team options, I want some thoughts on these guys:
Steph Curry
Ty Lawson
Brandon Jennings
Jrue Holiday
Jeff Teague
Each is looking at a restricted free agency year, but if we're willing to pay up, each would be a stretch to argue near max money. Are any of these guys someone you would break the bank to make a part of this team?
To me, only Ty Lawson would make me consider the deal it would take to pry him away. I'm starting to wonder if it will be difficult to use our cap space.
Are any of these PG's worth MAX type of money???
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10-23-2012, 06:38 PMSpaniardAre any of these PG's worth MAX type of money???
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10-23-2012, 06:46 PMRaisingTheBar
Curry or Lawson = :happy2:
But being honest and realistic, this team is committed to the development of Rivers. Unless he is a complete flop plan on him being here at least 2-3 years. -
10-23-2012, 06:52 PMda ThRONe
Nope but if I also notice that I'm tighter than most. If anybody Lawson but for me even that is insane.
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10-23-2012, 06:54 PMThe JNR
I'd love Lawson. Thing is, he thrives in a high pace environment. Would he be a great fit here, where Monty likes to slow it down?
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10-23-2012, 06:56 PMSpaniardI love Curry the player. But his ankle concerns to me would be scary as hell to add on to Gordon. It's one thing to bank on Gordon to be healthy and make a run. But needing both Gordon and Curry to stay healthy is probably asking for too much. Now if Curry plays every game this season, maybe that changes my mind. He would be the perfect type of player along side Gordon in my opinion because Gordon can drive and dish and Curry will knock it down.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 07:14 PMBallSoHard
None are WORTH max money, but they'll garner max money to pull them away from their current teams. Maybe if Jennings has a bad season he could be "gotten". Really with the New CBO, theres like 4 guys on the list that are WORTH max money:
Westbrook
Rose
CP3
Williams
On the Fringe:
Rondo
Irving (If he continues to progress)
Parker
May have missed someone, don't kill me for it lol. -
10-23-2012, 07:26 PMUnknown Poster
They didn't draft Rivers at #10 to sit on the bench. This team isn't going to be spending any kind of significant money on a PG. Not unless they trade Gordon after a year.
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10-23-2012, 07:47 PMhornetstime247
Why not develop Rivers as a James Harden 6th man and go out and sign Curry or Lawson.
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10-23-2012, 07:52 PMDirtySouf
From that list, if I really had to, I'd take Lawson or Jrue. I wouldn't feel comfortable trusting Curry to stay healthy at this moment...
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10-23-2012, 07:52 PMSnarlyI wish this was the case. It would allow him to be the #1 option off the bench and have him as the focus of the 2nd unit. I feel like he's not playing his game and it's really hurting his productivity. I actually rather have him jack up 10 shots in limited minutes and get streaky against back ups vs the way we're currently trying to utilize him at the moment.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 08:01 PMSpaniardBecause Eric Gordon is hurt. Monty never said he was trying to develop him as a PG. Just play him with Eric Gordon. Gordon would be ball dominate and Rivers would play off guard, yet with enough handles to help carry the load. I think the plan all along was to make Gordon more of a point guy. Monty is serious when he says they are guards, not point or shooting.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 08:06 PMBallSoHardWell, there are enhancement pills you could try.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 08:06 PMBallSoHardWell, there are enhancement pills you could try.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 08:09 PMPelsFan2313Common, well-founded sentiment. However, as already mentioned, I think we are too committed to developing Rivers at the 1 to go after a "max" PG. Our missing piece, as Demps and Monty mentioned, more than likely fits the mold of a 3, maybe a 5.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 08:17 PMnolaslim213
I agree with those that say PG is the last place we need to invest. Rivers/Vasquez is the future. EJ plays some PG too. I think we will sign a big name SF or C.
Just to let some of you guys know, Harden started at SF for the Thunder tonight against Luol Deng. I still think he is the guy we go after in FA, and just play him at SF for us. -
10-23-2012, 08:18 PMnolaslim213
I agree with those that say PG is the last place we need to invest. Rivers/Vasquez is the future. EJ plays some PG too. I think we will sign a big name SF or C.
Just to let some of you guys know, Harden started at SF for the Thunder tonight against Luol Deng. I still think he is the guy we go after in FA, and just play him at SF for us. -
10-23-2012, 08:54 PMPelsFan2313Max we could give Iggy is four years. David and Rivers would still be locked up for another five. Gordons contract would expire at the same time as Iggys. We would have the flexibility to decide who stays and who goes.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:11 PMCarwinLikeWhoa
Where do you guys think John Wall ranks against these guys? I have a feeling he'll be joining the conversation by the end of the year. Dude is due for a breakout with all the boneheads gone
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10-23-2012, 09:18 PMiNolaNightmare
Check it out:
Andre Igoudala.
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10-23-2012, 09:21 PMMeSoHornets504
Jrue Holiday... That would be my best guess on who this team would target. 6'4, super long, crazy athletic. I see insane potential, and he's no star but he has done nothing but progress.
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10-23-2012, 09:25 PMSpaniardRegarding free agency, John Wall has a team option that I expect them to pick up. As far as PG's overall, I like him a lot. He is blistering fast. I just think there is a smidge of inconsistency that will always plague him. I don't believe he will ever be a great outside shooter. He's a poor man's Derrick Rose. Probably top half in the league at PG, but just barely.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:25 PMiNolaNightmare
I, aside from the fact that the team is almost undoubtedly committed to letting Rivers develop at PG, believe in Rivers.
We should start a campaign on here in the sigs for those who believe in him:
I believe in Austin Rivers!
Who's with me? Probably won't be many considering how much hate he's gotten on this board... -
10-23-2012, 09:27 PMTrell
Honestly none are worth the max but they some will get close to it. As Span said, Monty MAYBE said Rivers will play along side as Gordon will control the rock. So I see Rivers as a "James Harden" type. Anyways I would want Curry, and would throw deep money at him if he did not have thos ankle?injury problems. He would co-exist with Gordon making us a crazy team from 3, but that risk is to high to have two injury prone guards. My next choice is Jrue. He is a true PG who can shoot and when hot is dealy from anywhere. Also he is a true PG who can pass and great defense as hehad hype going into college just as Rivers did(without Doc being his dad). Jrue is a all-star player MAYBE, if he gets put in the right situation.
I've been saying for a while we need to go after him hard as hell as all the hype would surron Lawson and Curry so he should be a fairly easy pick up. Younger with good defense too. -
10-23-2012, 09:29 PMTrellI think mostly everyone believe in Austin Rivers as a PG. But him as a sixth man would be so dope and make the team better. Either way, Austiin or Jrue would be good as a future starting PG.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:30 PMSpaniard
I like Jrue a lot. He's a lot better in the pros than I ever thought he would be. Always seemed like one of those guys with talent, but not a truly great basketball player. Where as Darren Collison did so much with so little.
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10-23-2012, 09:32 PMThe JNRThat'd actually be really nice, but I bet Philly is going to try to hang onto him as long as possible.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:33 PMiNolaNightmareYeah, this is a thread we'll definitely have to come back to next week.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:34 PMiNolaNightmare
Off subject but can someone please tell me how to make my sig pic larger? It keeps coming up really small. Thanks in advance.
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10-23-2012, 09:43 PMSpaniardHe is the only SF available that I would love to have. And we would be a defensive machine. But he turns 29 in January, and 30 during next season, his first on a new deal. I would be terrified for this team to give him the money I expect him to get.Quote:
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10-23-2012, 09:48 PMiNolaNightmareAndre would be the Kendrick Perkins and more of this team. Well worth the extra cash. Could we save the cash for extensions of Rivers and Davis??Quote:
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10-24-2012, 05:56 AMDavisisthemanI'd much rather Gordon/Rivers and go out and sign James Harden for max to be our 6th.Quote:
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10-24-2012, 08:09 AMgreeweDo we have any evidence of an "older" (~30 and beyond) player maintaining an elite level of perimeter defense? I immediately thought of Tony Allen, but he's only 30 right now. Maybe Bruce Bowen? He started for the Spurs all the way through the 07-08 season, which would have made him ~37. Was he still an elite defender towards the end of his career? More specifically, was he still an elite defender from 30-33 (presumably the age Iggy would be if we hypothetically signed him this offseason)?Quote:
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10-24-2012, 08:42 AMSpaniardShane Battier is 34 if you want to count him.Quote:
Originally Posted by greewe
I think Andre is looking at a max deal. Some team is going to go all out for him. And if we were on the cusp of a title, I would love it. But two of our best players are only going to be 20 next year. It would scare me for sure. -
10-24-2012, 09:30 AM50_Hornet
CP3, draft SF or Nerlens Noel!
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10-24-2012, 10:13 AMPurple Haze
Lawson by miles, but no way that happens. :(
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10-24-2012, 11:02 AMNola3
What about Eric Bledsoe? Not on a max deal obviously, but I would take him over at least half the point guards that have been mentioned. He's young, extremely athletic, and is a phenomenal defender. Instead of blowing a max deal (and I know that's unlikely to begin with) on one of these PGs, why not go after Bledsoe in a trade for Vazquez and something like a top 7 protected 1st?
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10-24-2012, 11:03 AMBallSoHard
i think, we need a distrubtor PG on this team. A true set up artist. If the said FA doesn't provide that, i'd pass (see what i did there?).
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10-24-2012, 11:59 AMda ThRONeI would say Grant Hill and Shawn Marion. It's hard to find lock down perimeter defenders period let alone past 30.Quote:
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