Eric Gordon seemed to contradict himself in regard to his now indefinite knee injury, stating initially that there is nothing*structurally*wrong, *but later saying that there likely is. Perhaps the biggest one line bombshell is that he doesn’t know “at all” if or when he’ll be back this season.*He went out of his way to repeatedly state how frustrating this is for him, and how dedicated he is to this team and this city.
Gordon opened his availability with a brief statement–
“It’s an honor and privilege just to be part of this organization as a player, I know things haven’t been going as well as far as my status of*being*injured as far as I’ve been here. I have had recurring injuries, a knee injury, since I’ve been here and it’s just tough as a player to go through these things…”
“As a player I look forward to helping this franchise and I always look out for the best to help this team win. It has been frustrating, very frustrating, as a player not to do your job every day. I only played 9 games last year and I haven’t played a game this year. I haven’t played a preseason game. It’s just frustrating to watch the guys play and me not being a part of it. So that’s what I wanted to start out with. I know from a fans perspective this is frustrating for them, but as a player it’s most frustrating for me and this organization. So I just wanted to put it out there cuz I know it’s tough, but it’s almost all on me and this is an injury that I’m battling with. It’s just a tough time right now for me. and I’m just going through it. This is a great city and a great organization and I definitely want to be a part of it, but being a part of it for me is made playing and *what’s preventing me form playing is having this injury.”
He said later that he didn’t have any structural damage, but that he might have some structural damage, a rather clear contradiction to those of us in the room. He’s had MRI’s recently that revealed that he’s ok, but he also said that he’s in a lot of pain. He also said that despite the fact that he’s not waiting for the results of any new MRI’s nor dose he plan to have any, he’s hoping to know a lot about the injury after this weekend.
As for whether or not he suffered a setback between Olympic trials and training camp, he said “sorta”.
He added that he doesn’t know “at all” if or when he’ll be back this season.
Just what Hornets fans wanted to hear…
On a personal note, it’s clear this is tough for him, so perhaps we should try to be a bit more understanding about an injury that none of us have the training and access to properly diagnose.
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Eric Gordon Unable to Give Clarity on Knee Injury
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11-01-2012, 01:20 PMJoe GerrityEric Gordon Unable to Give Clarity on Knee Injury
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11-01-2012, 01:21 PMFlyGirl
I hope ya'll at least got free lunch out of this 'availability' session.
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11-01-2012, 01:24 PMCoughkaThey sorta did.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunnyB
It was a pretty good lunch. -
11-01-2012, 01:24 PMJoe Gerrity
Here's the vid-- Not sure why it didn't embed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6SDt...ature=youtu.be -
11-01-2012, 01:26 PMLuke's Pelicans
Very good stuff Joe. I know it's hard for most to do. But I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they can figure out what's going on.
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11-01-2012, 01:27 PMMake It Rain
Joe, do you expect him to be out for the remainder of the year? That was his most puzzling comment. How can there be no structural damage, yet he is not sure if he will return this year?
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11-01-2012, 01:40 PMUnknown Poster
Waste of money. He's run out of 'benefits of the doubt' from me.
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11-01-2012, 01:42 PMLuke's PelicansThat's understandable. I don't blame you at all.Quote:
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I just can't see how a person would sit out when he can't be traded. If he is a 12 year old in disguise It would make sense. -
11-01-2012, 01:44 PMUnknown Poster
What's the more rational explanation? Do we really believe that he's some kind of mystery of medical science? But I'm not putting it all on him because, ultimately, he didn't write himself a contract. Matching was a huge mistake. A sign and trade for anyone would have been the better option. This man is far too brittle to justify the money they handed him.
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11-01-2012, 02:05 PMLuke's PelicansYou have never heard of doctors misdiagnosis or of missing things before? I know these are great doctors and all but it has happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
I could find you more examples but somebody else brought this on up. SO there.Quote:
Hill opened up about that period to Fox's Jason Whitlock, and said the medical attention he received while with the Detroit Pistons and Orlando Magic played a big factor.
Hill says that during his final season in Detroit, in 1999-2000, he was diagnosed late in the season with a bone bruise, but that it turned out to be a broken ankle bone. Adds Hill:
"I even found out that certain team doctors were questioning whether I was really hurt, thinking I was soft or whatever . . . At that time, when I found out I had broken my ankle, as crazy as this sounds, I was relieved. I finally had some confirmation, I finally had proof that I'm really not making it up."
Hill had surgery and signed a $92 million free agent contract with Orlando and was in the lineup and opening night, coming back way too soon.
"The next day the doctor who performed (my) surgery picks the paper up and saw that I played like 30 minutes and he was irate. I wasn't supposed to be on the court doing basketball-related activity until December. So somewhere along the line, the ball was dropped. And certainly I didn't know that until the doctor informed me of that. Apparently he had forwarded all the information down there to Orlando. I was told to follow the instructions."
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11-01-2012, 02:15 PMEman5805
If he suspects it to be more damaged than it he was told, nothing is stopping him from seeing James Andrews. It's not complicated. Misdiagnosis hinge on the correct diagnosis eventually being given. Until such event happens, I won't assume that.
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11-01-2012, 02:17 PMFlyGirlGood stuff here on Hill. The main and probably ONLY difference is that no one has ever believed that Gordon wants to be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. It was Gordon and no one BUT Gordon that made people feel this way but the difference is, no one ever questioned whether Grant Hill wanted to play for his team or not. At least I don't think they did. People don't think Gordon wants to be here. If he's not on the court for whatever reason, it's because he doesn't want to be here. This will be all people know. Nevermind that he missed many games because of injuries when playing for the Clippers. He didn't just get to New Orleans and was suddenly injured. He had injuries there. Difference is, he never said anything about his heart being elsewhere while playing for the Clippers. From now on, whether he does or doesn't, the perception will always be that if he's not on the court, he doesn't want to be here. Heck, I think even if he IS on the court there will always be that thought that he doesn't want to be here among some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets
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11-01-2012, 02:24 PMUnknown PosterOnly thing I took away from that story is: it's better when it is someone else's problem. Let another team deal with his elusive knee. Hornets don't need him. Unfortunately now his trade value is basically zero. Hell you might not even be able to offload his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets
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11-01-2012, 02:28 PMFlyGirl
Well people are saying he's not really hurt and is just sitting out because he doesn't want to be here so I'm sure there's got to be some GM/team out there that will make Demps an offer right? Teams take disgruntled players quite often don't they?
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11-01-2012, 02:31 PMphrazbitA disgruntled player is easier to move than an injured player... unfortunately Gordon appears to be both. Toss in that he is one game into a max deal and its hard to picture a trade that New Orleans would find remotely appealing.Quote:
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11-01-2012, 02:32 PMUnknown Poster
The problem is I doubt any outside GM will know the absolute truth and the current market perception is this guy can't stay on the court. Eight or nine games last season and possibly zero this year? Attitude aside what would you offer for a guy like that... who also comes at a $15 million a year price? I will be relieved if the Hornets can just dump him off for some expirings/not just trade him for more bad contracts that will prevent the team from signing a free agent or two down the road.
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11-01-2012, 02:32 PMFlyGirlBaron Davis had just gotten a nice contract too right? Maybe we can trade Gordon and get a Speedy Claxton back. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by phrazbit
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11-01-2012, 02:37 PMnew city champ
I'm going to cut him some slack as well. Some more slack, I should say. I've had knee tendonitis so painful I've had to hop to the bathroom in the morning. You can cut down the swelling and tenderness with medication, but the problem is it comes right back if you don't lay off it. I've gone through a cycle of many months like that. Gordon may now have a chronic knee condition. Not his fault and not great news, but sometimes it can be treated and managed and even clear up. Though, as they are saying, there is no time table for that to happen.
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11-01-2012, 02:40 PMUnknown Poster
My feelings are less about Eric Gordon the person rather Eric Gordon as the asset/player to this organization. As the latter, he's borderline worthless at this point. Not worth the headache anymore. Time to ship him off and move on with our young nucleus. This team has plenty of young talent such that it doesn't need to saddle itself with a max contract guy who never steps on the court. It needs to be dealt with December 15th so it doesn't hinder cap flexibility going forward.
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11-01-2012, 02:40 PMMiss_318Exactly...and my thing is...if this is supposed to be your career wouldn't you take the initiative to go out on your own and get multiple opinions. Hell Kobe went to Germany to get his fixed. If you keep getting the same diagnosis from one guy that says he sees no damage but you still feel pain don't wait until the last minute to say something. You're making too much money not to make an appointment on your own or demand the team bring in another guy to check it out. And IMO I don't think that the Hornets haven't brought in multiple doctors. It just seems strange to me that you can misdiagnose something for that long....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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11-01-2012, 02:42 PMFlyGirlNot ALL athletes go to Dr. James Andrews. Any idea why that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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11-01-2012, 02:43 PMUnknown Poster
They must be crazy because he's DR. JAMES ANDREWS!
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11-01-2012, 02:48 PMFlyGirlThat's why I've always wondered why ALL players don't go to him. People say he's the best. I'd want the best. Did Dr. Scott Montgomery perform Gordon's surgery back in February?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
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11-01-2012, 02:49 PMneworleanshoo
clear as mud.
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11-01-2012, 02:49 PMEman5805Practicality. Also, irrelevant as I don't know a single other surgeron by name. Get a second diagnosis.Quote:
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Oh. You were being sincere and not sardonic. Yeah. He's probably crazy expensive and people willl say they're just as good as he is but cheaper. -
11-01-2012, 02:49 PMUnknown Poster
I think it was Dr. Kervorkian given the outcome.
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11-01-2012, 02:56 PMMiss_318James Andrews turned a broken Drew Brees into a first ballot HOFer....nuff said. if I was Gordon AS SOON as I felt any pain I'm telling Andrews to scrub up, open him up, and fix ANYTHING you see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
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11-01-2012, 03:03 PMEman5805
I'm starting to be of the opinion that Eric Gordon died last year and our medical staff just didn't catch it.
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11-01-2012, 03:06 PMFlyGirl
Handwerger: Future is bright for Hornets with or without Gordon
http://www.wwltv.com/sports/basketba...176709841.htmlQuote:
NEW ORLEANS — Tony Parker sat in front of his locker in the visiting locker room at the New Orleans Arena on Wednesday, his shoulder wrapped in ice.
While savvy veteran had just put a dagger in the Hornets’ hearts with a last-minute 3-pointer that led to the Spurs' 99-95 win, he wasn’t looking back at that shot.
Instead, he was looking forward. Specifically, he was prognosticating the future.
“You have to give them a lot of credit,” Parker, the San Antonio standout guard, said. “They fight. They played great tonight. They’re going to be good in 2-3 years. They’re going to be good.”
Parker is right. The Hornets could be that good team, with one condition – Eric Gordon has to play.
Gordon is the player the Hornets were missing against San Antonio, the late-game assassin who would have taken a better shot than Greivis Vasquez was able to get off when the team needed a shot to match Parker’s.
But Gordon didn’t participate in training camp and is out indefinitely, meaning he’s the soft prima donna who doesn’t appear to be worth the four-year, $58 million max contract he signed this summer. At least, he hasn’t shown it yet.
He has a mysterious right knee injury that was supposed to be fixed with surgery this spring but was still giving him and the training staff as well as head coach Monty Williams fits. Wednesday morning, Williams said the Hornets were still looking for some clarity on the injury.
Gordon is a difference maker and if he’s in the lineup against San Antonio, the Hornets have a much better shot at walking out the Arena with a win. They have a player who has in his career hit big-time shots at big-time moments.
Instead, they left the Arena with a moral victory, though not a bad one.
For New Orleans, just looking across the floor provided a valuable enough experience.
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11-01-2012, 03:11 PMMiss_318
Thought this was interesting:
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@hortonhomers
Note to Hornets fans in a furor over EGordon's injury. Most major contracts in NBA are insured up to (around) 80%. Doctor report is HUGE!
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11-01-2012, 03:13 PMFlyGirl
Waves to Bob Licht.
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11-01-2012, 03:20 PMSoundwaveI wonder if that can relieve the cap space used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_318
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11-01-2012, 03:41 PMUnknown Poster
I don't think they do -- which is really the main concern of fans. Don't really care if Benson saves $10 million or not... he just donated that much to Brother Martin a couple of hours ago.
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11-01-2012, 04:16 PMjawznola
Pretty much we've been getting lied to this whole time and wool placed over our eyes. I mean come on man, this is kind of disrespectful to wait for the season to start and NOW all of a sudden confess that there's a bigger problem with the knee. Also, this could've been 100% preventable had he not tried to play in the Olympics.
I don't only blame him but I also blame Demps and Monty because it seems as if they kinda had some knowledge of this guy's issue but didn't want to say anything unless they absolutely had to make a statement. Just a few days ago Demps said he wanted to process more "information" as in medical information from Gordon's doctors, dude why not just tell us this BEFORE the season started???!?!?!?!
So we now know we weren't simply resting Gordon during preseason, we were waiting to see if his knee was in less enough pain to potentially play.
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11-01-2012, 04:43 PMBongzilla
I understand that we are all out of patience in this situation, but to me, I think Gordon is looking at his future in the league. 99% of all professional athletes are crazy egomaniacs who love the "positive" attention and limelight. Very rarely do players take big checks and do nothing. Yes, they often to not work AS HARD after fat contracts, but it is rare that they just quit.
IMO, Gordon is legitimately feeling pain, and being told that he should be feeling no pain. This is scaring Gordon. He had three full practices this week without limitations correct? It is clear that he can work through the pain, he is just worried that he may be doing permanent damage to his body.
There is a pretty big difference between knowing why you have pain, being able to play through it, and have clear understanding that the pain you feel is not ruining your body. Athletes in all sports battle this regularly.
When you have a situation where there should be NO pain, the pain is there, and no one can explain why....... this is a different situation all together. IMO Gordon is trying not to push himself until he can get some concrete answers. Yes it is frustrating, yes we would have probably won last night if he was on the court, but we are building for the future. A few extra losses at the beginning of this season will be nothing compared to having Gordon lost forever. I am still holding out hope that he will get the answers he needs, and we will see him performing at a high level for us this year. -
11-01-2012, 05:23 PMjawznolaUhh... So why go out and try to be in the OLYMPICS??? If you care so much about your body, then why risk damaging it to play in the international spotlight? We've been dealt a raw dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Bongzilla
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11-01-2012, 05:25 PMFlyGirlI don't know but I can say this. If he's really injured, he may look back at that and realize it's probably something he shouldn't have done. He should've rested and strengthened that knee up until Hornets training camp. IF he's really injured that is.Quote:
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Like Monty said, he didn't listen when people told him to sit out and it probably cost him 4 or 5 years of his career. -
11-01-2012, 05:31 PMJJackisangryHe said it happened after that. Idk whats really up but he did say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
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11-01-2012, 05:51 PMsmittywerb
I am through with this clown. I haven't posted here in a while but I must with this situation. On the Clippers, he cries about not getting the ball. Then he gets traded and cries about being traded. Plays a few games and he's gone. Then he cries about the offer and claims "he deserves a max contract". Becomes "healthy" and becomes butthurt when he doesn't make the Olympic team due to the fact "he wouldn't be comfortable with coming off the bench.". Then he cries about our draft and that he doesn't feel wanted by the team and says "his heart is in PHX". Then he gets injured again and come with this crap!?!
I'm done. EG thinks he is this godly player who deserves everything but he doesnt deserve crap. He got paid because of his potential, not because of what he has done. What has he proven? That he can be a good player when on the court, BUT HE'S NEVER ON THE COURT! And once again he is sidelined by an "injury" that's not serious but serious enough to keep him off the court indefinitely. :/
I don't know about you guys but this doesn't smell right. I wouldn't trade this clown. I would let him sit and rot on the bench since he wants to claim he's injured. I know what it is. He didn't care that Rivers was drafted, he cared that DAVIS was drafted. He's scared Davis is gonna steal his shine just like Griffin did in LA. He wants to be a star, send him to some crappy team and let's get us a lottery pick and some young talent. I was on this guy but now I'm off. Good riddance.
This guy is the Bob Sanders of the NBA. And that's not even a fair comparison because Bob took a paycut and actually played close to a full season.
No structural damage but you're out indefinitely? Gimmie a break. NEXT! (Anthony Davis Avatar coming soon.) -
11-01-2012, 07:51 PMluckyman
The problem here compared to players like Grant Hill and even Baron Davis is it was clear that these guys were injured. You saw them either try to play through injuries on the floor, or you saw it happen on the floor. With this guy, nobody has seen anything. He plays an entire game full speed. No grimace, no limp, no nothing. Then all of a sudden out for LOOONG time.
Now, after an ENTIRE summer off after missing damn near all of last season, it's the same thing. Combined with what happened during free agency, then saying today he could miss the whole season (what competitive player would even fathom sitting out 82 games due to being sore??) just smells awful fishy. It just smells awful. It also sounds like a joke.
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11-01-2012, 10:18 PMTeal LanternLOL!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
"Next week on AMC's 'The Walking Dead'....." -
11-01-2012, 10:30 PMBigChris504HAHAHAHAHAHA:hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
Eric Gordon's Hershel LOOOOL!!!! -
11-01-2012, 10:35 PMWho Dat Hornets
#1 pick here we come!!!
On a serious note, I think it would be good if we were bad for one more year and get another star player in next years draft. We have alot of good role players and good depth but we need stars to win championships. This might be Dell's master plan to make this team a title contender. -
11-01-2012, 10:41 PMmriguy
I wish I could get a hold of his MRI to see the real condition of his knee.
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11-01-2012, 11:41 PMMetairie Hornet
7(g) of UPC: "Player agrees to supply...truthful info in connection w/any medical exam" MT @basketballtalk Eric Gordon dlvr.it/2QCsNw
— Michael McCann (@McCannSportsLaw) November 1, 2012
@nola_dave It was a reference to a medical honesty clause in the Uniform Player Contract that Eric Gordon had to sign and must adhere to.
— Michael McCann (@McCannSportsLaw) November 2, 2012
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11-01-2012, 11:55 PMFlyGirl
^^ Those tweets led me to this ....
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11-02-2012, 12:24 AMAUSSIE_PELICAN
Does anyone think that Gordon may have re-injured his knee in a non-related basketball activity?
This is why maybe there is no clarity.
I guess what I am trying to say is if he has injured himself by being reckless during the off season this may be a breach of his $58M dollar contract.
I'm not sure about baskeball players but I know in other sports if they injure themselves in the off season they are covered
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11-02-2012, 05:41 AMUnknown Poster
Dude probably injures himself putting on his pants.
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11-02-2012, 06:44 AM42
The surgery was just a procedure with an arthroscope.
Andrews is there is reconstruct joints, reattach muscles, etc. He handles sports injuries, coarsely speaking. This injury is just an injury that any of us could get.
Such is my understanding of the most famous MD from LSU.