Bledsoe way over hyped

Watching Clippers vs Timberwolves tonight. Bledsoe in for the injured CP3 would bring the ball down and most of the time would immediately pass to a teammate and would not touch the ball again during the possession, allowing his teammates to get their own shot. Rivers could easily play that style if Monty wanted the offense run that way. He didn't attack the basket much if at all. His defense didn't seem that tight although he did get some steals. He does not seem to be much of a scorer or make your own shot in crunch time. GV is a much better young pt guard for the Hornets and may be just what the Hornets want in their pt if he keeps developing his game and plays within his limitations. Bledsoe would not beat out GV.

This is a classic post.

Lets make a observation that is "set in stone" after one game... If you watched his game a couple days ago, his 19 points 5 assists and 7 rebounds would tell a different story...

Infact, i watch a lot of clippers games considering i am a big Chris Paul fan, and bledsoe is over hyped and i laugh at the amount of praise this board gives him.

I've watched about 10-12 LA Clips games and have also come to the conclusion that he is overhyped. IMO Rivers is a better prospect (bash me all you want people).

Rivers is not a better prospect, but I've never been the one to claim Bledsoe to be our Savior. I want a scoring SF while we keep aminu for defensive purposes.

I think everybody is too worried about acquiring when we should be worried about keeping some of our key pieces.

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Originally Posted by dcoop

I think everybody is too worried about acquiring when we should be worried about keeping some of our key pieces.

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This. We have good, young, cheap pieces in Vasquez, Smith, and Lopez...lets trade them away!!

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I've watched about 10-12 LA Clips games and have also come to the conclusion that he is overhyped. IMO Rivers is a better prospect (bash me all you want people).

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I've watched about 10-12 LA Clips games and have also come to the conclusion that he is overhyped. IMO Rivers is a better prospect (bash me all you want people).

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Bledsoe's defense puts on him on a whole different level then Austin. Bledsoe can impact the game defensively and offensively w/ his energy...Austin hasn't shown he can do either yet.

If words that start with "over" were a person, I'd push him in front of a train. Overhyped. Overrated.

Bledsoe will defend. He'll run the floor. Finish above the rim. Get steals. Make plays. As much as he's poor as a scorer or facilitator, he's good in other areas. Strengths. Weaknesses.

And about our pieces. Does this team win a championship in the near future if we just draft player X this year? Maybe sign somebody as a free agent? Do we ignore any trade options so we can keep the fan favorites? Not saying trade everyone. Not saying we shouldn't have untouchable guys. But all options should be kept open.

Getting Bledsoe is just one of many routes we can pursue.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

If words that start with "over" were a person, I'd push him in front of a train. Overhyped. Overrated.

Bledsoe will defend. He'll run the floor. Finish above the rim. Get steals. Make plays. As much as he's poor as a scorer or facilitator, he's good in other areas. Strengths. Weaknesses.

And about our pieces. Does this team win a championship in the near future if we just draft player X this year? Maybe sign somebody as a free agent? Do we ignore any trade options so we can keep the fan favorites? Not saying trade everyone. Not saying we shouldn't have untouchable guys. But all options should be kept open.

Getting Bledsoe is just one of many routes we can pursue.

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This. And boom goes the dynamite.

Bledsoe is not a better fit on this team than vasquez. Some people don't give him enough credit for his play and hound him as if we are just gonna fall into another cp3 type pg. Vasquez is good enough to start on this team if ad develops properly.

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Bledsoe's defense puts on him on a whole different level then Austin. Bledsoe can impact the game defensively and offensively w/ his energy...Austin hasn't shown he can do either yet.

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Yes, but neither could Bledsoe in his first year.

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And about our pieces. Does this team win a championship in the near future if we just draft player X this year? Maybe sign somebody as a free agent? Do we ignore any trade options so we can keep the fan favorites? Not saying trade everyone. Not saying we shouldn't have untouchable guys. But all options should be kept open.

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I hear you, but my view is that I don't know that Bledsoe is actually an upgrade for us, just a sideways move. I'm not sure who I'd want to give up on our current roster (realistically) to have him. But yeah, keeping your options open is a good thing.

I think the reason Bledsoe gets so much love from Hornets fans is because his strengths are Vasquez' glaring weaknesses, so if you bring Bledsoe in for Vasquez you fix all the problems the team had been having. The problem is no one considers the problems that would be opened up because of Bledsoe's weaknesses. I would see Vasquez for Bledsoe as a lateral move that you only make because you think he fits better next to Gordon long term, but I'm not sure that is a true statement.

If it's Bledsoe or a legit 3 (or even just a scoring 3), I'm taking Vasquez and the 3 100% of the time.

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If it's Bledsoe or a legit 3 (or even just a scoring 3), I'm taking Vasquez and the 3 100% of the time.

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What if you can have both?

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I think the reason Bledsoe gets so much love from Hornets fans is because his strengths are Vasquez' glaring weaknesses, so if you bring Bledsoe in for Vasquez you fix all the problems the team had been having. The problem is no one considers the problems that would be opened up because of Bledsoe's weaknesses. I would see Vasquez for Bledsoe as a lateral move that you only make because you think he fits better next to Gordon long term, but I'm not sure that is a true statement.

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GV's only glaring weakness is his isolation defense, is Bledsoe's really that much better? GV's been scoring on par with Bledsoe and distributing at a higher level.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

What if you can have both?

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Don't you tease me, my friend. :crytear:

I don't see us going crazy so I expect either one big move (Bledsoe/Iggy) or a couple of smaller moves for depth or more balance.

Not to mention did ANYONE think Vasquez would take off this well when we got him? If so, then you should be getting paid for your prognostication skills. People keep mentioning fit, when we're basing it off what Bledsoe is doing on a completely different team and philosophy. Even Gordon isn't fitting in precisely like he did in LA. More shooters here. A more versatile frontline. Less called on to handle the rock except in late game closing situations.

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Not to mention did ANYONE think Vasquez would take off this well when we got him? .

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I know Memphis sure as hell didn't !

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Not to mention did ANYONE think Vasquez would take off this well when we got him? If so, then you should be getting paid for your prognostication skills. People keep mentioning fit, when we're basing it off what Bledsoe is doing on a completely different team and philosophy. Even Gordon isn't fitting in precisely like he did in LA. More shooters here. A more versatile frontline. Less called on to handle the rock except in late game closing situations.

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If anything I'd like a better backup than Roberts to handle backing up Vasquez along with a shooter to pair with Aminu (if he doesn't leave which is likely imo).

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Don't you tease me, my friend. :crytear:

I don't see us going crazy so I expect either one big move (Bledsoe/Iggy) or a couple of smaller moves for depth or more balance.

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I love GV, I was on the gravy train way earlier in the season when everyone was saying we needed to upgrade the position. But I agree with the fact that his value may be peaked ATM and I love the idea of the defensive back court we would have with gordon and bledsoe. I'm just saying we may be able to get a scoring SF without having to spend most of our FA $$. Ex: drafting anthony bennett. We would be able to sign a guy like bledsoe or something. I'm not trying to get rid of Vasquez I am just wondering how you would feel if you had your scoring SF.

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If anything I'd like a better backup than Roberts to handle backing up Vasquez along with a shooter to pair with Aminu (if he doesn't leave which is likely imo).

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IMO roberts should be a backup SG. Not on this team I'm just saying. He would have to gaurd the 1s because of this size but his game isn't fit for PG.

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I love GV, I was on the gravy train way earlier in the season when everyone was saying we needed to upgrade the position. But I agree with the fact that his value may be peaked ATM and I love the idea of the defensive back court we would have with gordon and bledsoe. I'm just saying we may be able to get a scoring SF without having to spend most of our FA $$. Ex: drafting anthony bennett. We would be able to sign a guy like bledsoe or something. I'm not trying to get rid of Vasquez I am just wondering how you would feel if you had your scoring SF.

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I'm all for drafting a Porter or Poythress to be that guy (I think Bennett will be way gone by our pick) and keeping GV. Twist for you: drafting Trey Burke to be that PG backup and using the money to sign Iggy.

I would poop myself.

I've also watched a lot of Bledsoe and there is no question he is overhyped. He's a fine player, and we would be a much better team if we had him on our bench. As a full time starter, we would be no better than we are now.

Grass is always greener has been in full affect here for a while. We need to get better, and it's hard to find available guys that do that. I'm of the opinion we badly need to improve our bench, guards in particular. Whether it's a good PG, or a true scorer with Rivers at point, our backup guard play submarines everything we do most nights.

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I'm all for drafting a Porter or Poythress to be that guy (I think Bennett will be way gone by our pick) and keeping GV. Twist for you: drafting Trey Burke to be that PG backup and using the money to sign Iggy.

I would poop myself.

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O I am a Burke believer so you wouldn't have to twist my arm! And I just saw a mock where Bennett fell to 9. I'm thinking 5-8. I'd love Otto as well though.

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O I am a Burke believer so you wouldn't have to twist my arm! And I just saw a mock where Bennett fell to 9. I'm thinking 5-6. I'd love Otto as well though.

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I don't know why but I've just got this feeling that we'll end up with Otto. FA notwithstanding of course, if they want to push for Iggy who knows if they go for a 1, 3 or a Eurostash.

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I've also watched a lot of Bledsoe and there is no question he is overhyped. He's a fine player, and we would be a much better team if we had him on our bench. As a full time starter, we would be no better than we are now.

Grass is always greener has been in full affect here for a while. We need to get better, and it's hard to find available guys that do that. I'm of the opinion we badly need to improve our bench, guards in particular. Whether it's a good PG, or a true scorer with Rivers at point, our backup guard play submarines everything we do most nights.

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Maybe 1 or 2 positions but I have been happy with our bench. I think we rank around 13th in the NBA in bench points. Think about the days of CP and West when we needed bench production to win a championship.

Bledsoe is in his 3rd year in the league, posted a PER of 10 his rookie year and has bumped that up to 19 this year. He started off as a very raw prospect with great athletic capabilities. His game has grown leaps and bounds but he is still extremely raw. His jump shot is still a work in progress, his ball handling is good but not great, his court vision is weak. His overall basketball principles and fundamentals are not that good. He is a bundle of energy and athleticism that plays behind the best PG in the world and on the best basetball team in the world. He is surrounded by veteran players that cover his mistakes. His job right now is to simply provide energy on the court. I would love to have him coming off the bench, but he is not a starting PG in this league right now. Can he become one? Yes! However, he is still a long ways away.

Rivers on the other hand is in his rookie year, forced to start on a poor team with no vetrans (other than Roger Mason) due to the Eric Gordon injury and is dealing with all the pressure of being Docs Kid. Rivers was thrown to fire early and he has had his moments. He dropped 27 on those same Clippers. His defense is way ahead of where I expected it to be. His cross-over is lethal and he has shown that he can get by the initial defender and into the lane at will. Rivers needs to get stronger, he needs to work and finishing in the lane, he needs to refine that floater, and he needs to work on his shooting mechanics. Give him time, to me he has had enough moments that I'm still hopeful he can be a very good player.

PS the hate Rivers get is ridiculous and its obvious the people hating on him have not watching a single game other than those Duke-UNC games. People are calling him selfish, a ball-hog, etc. when all Hornets fans know that one of Rivers problems this year has been him being too passive and not selfish enough!

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Maybe 1 or 2 positions but I have been happy with our bench. I think we rank around 13th in the NBA in bench points. Think about the days of CP and West when we needed bench production to win a championship.

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Oh no question. We have had much worse benches. I would put our bigs of Anderson and Smith up against anyone. But our overall production from our bench is dominated by the fact that Ryan Anderson is one of the most proficient players in the league and averaging 32 minutes a game this season.

When you take a step back and look at this team as a whole, it's TOTALLY different with Gordon and Aminu in the starting lineup obviously. There is no "glaring" hole when you go Vasquez, Gordon, Aminu, Davis and Lopez. Are there better players? Sure. But you would have to get a really good player to improve one of those positions(and yes, even Aminu, lol).

Brian Roberts brings the flow of this team to a screeching hault. We've all seen and known that for a while. Add in Rivers obvious struggles thus far, and we're about to cut ten years off the career of Greivis. He's having to play all the time to keep the team flowing.

I see one of two solutions. A true 1B point guard. Bledsoe being a great example, coming off the bench, capable of starting. Or, a real 6th man scorer with Rivers at the point. I personally still think Rivers is an NBA PG. That's what he does best, drive and dish.

I would love another SF too, but I haven't been sold that Xavier Henry can't play backup SF without hurting the team. I like what he brings to the table most nights on both sides of the court. JMO.

The floppers the best basketball team in the world? Now i've heard it all

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The floppers the best basketball team in the world? Now i've heard it all

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He was trying to make the point that opponent teams need to worry about other players like Jamal Crawford and Matt Barnes coming off the bench, not to mention Chris Paul and Blake Griffin as starters. When you have so many ball handlers and scorers on the team, point guards job is really easy.

The Clippers may not be the best team, but they certainly have the best bench.

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He was trying to make the point that opponent teams need to worry about other players like Jamal Crawford and Matt Barnes coming off the bench, not to mention Chris Paul and Blake Griffin as starters. When you have so many ball handlers and scorers on the team, point guards job is really easy.

The Clippers may not be the best team, but they certainly have the best bench.

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LOL, Matt Barnes.

I know I am in the vast minority and perhaps a couple others feel this way, but if I was in the market for an experienced young NBA point guard, I would still give Jeff Teague a very, very hard look.....