Hey everyone! I just moved to Kenner temporarily a couple of weeks ago, and I was wondering if there are any sports bars that show Wrestling PPV's. I need a place to watch Wrestlemania in two weeks. Yea I know, I still watch Wrestling! lol. Thanks
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Hey everyone! I just moved to Kenner temporarily a couple of weeks ago, and I was wondering if there are any sports bars that show Wrestling PPV's. I need a place to watch Wrestlemania in two weeks. Yea I know, I still watch Wrestling! lol. Thanks
I've never seen a place that showed Wrestlemania, or any other wrestling PPV, like they did with boxing. Hell, I don't think places show boxing PPVs anymore. With all the copyright stuff regarding the broadcast of shows/events, I guess people are scared now.
I just came back from Atlanta and did the whole Wrestlemania experience. New Orleans really needs to get a hold of this event for the city. It's alot like the NBA allstar game. Lots of stuff going on. They had some art deal Wed, Golf tourney Thursday, WWE Axxess Friday-Sunday, Wrestlemania Sunday, and finished with Monday night Raw. Would bring in alot of money into the city no doubt. My cheap self pumped alot of money into the Atlanta economy this weekend.
I'm not sure exactly how the selection process works, but a friend of mine who follows these things more closely (and actually travels to WrestleMania every year) told me we've been in contention for the event the last few years. I'm not sure what excactly they would need to deliberate over, but I'd like to see it held here in the near future. In the meantime, they've been holding Raw here more regularly and there's another PPV lined up for October, which is more events than the city was getting in years past.
As to the OP's point, I don't know of anywhere that shows the PPV's anymore. Hooters used to show them pre-Katrina, but never resumed since, even though I'm told it's fairly standard to catch them at any Hooters nationwide. UFC fights, on the other hand, are pretty easy to find on a Saturday night.
Lets not forget, Wrestlemania is more of a true competition than the ASG as well. :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by pharcyder
BTW....I agree, Wrestlemania would be a good event to bring to New Orelans.
Hah, I'll take the Rock vs Cena over the NBA allstar game nonsense anytime.
I was there too as I was lucky enough to win the SyFy WM sweepstakes. I received Saturday Axxess tix, WM tix, and RAW tix for the night after. It was a lot of fun and Atlanta was a great city to host it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pharcyder
I know New Orleans has been rumored to host 29 or 30 but I think 30 will go to NYC. New Orleans should have hosted one a bunch of years ago as N.O. is a perfect city to have it.
The locations would be a no-brainer: WM of course at the Dome, Axxess at the Convention Center, and Hall of Fame and RAW at the Arena.
It will be interesting to see if Vince will go back to MSG for WM 30. Traditionally they go back every ten years but the WWE seems to be going the stadium route the past decade.
Nothing wrong with 60-70k tourists in for the weekend.
I'm sure it's as simple as bribing Vince McMahon. They'll fill any stadium with 60-70k -- his big money comes from pay-per-view/internet viewers so, to him, I'm sure one venue is as good as the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrits
WM 30 has already been announced as being at MSG. NO is suposed to be in the running for WM 29.
Really? That'd be great. I live in New Jersey so hopefully I save up for a few days to go to a Hornets game and Wrestlemania, and the next year to MSG, since I live very close to it, and maybe go to a Knicks game before it as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Cajun_Hornet
Honestly though I'm fine with watching it on TV. I like big events with commentators.:hihi:
It wasn't a great PPV. WWE is in a state of flux right now. Their established stars are aging or retiring. The next generation of stars are struggling to catch on due in no small part to poor, illogical booking.
I also think WWE rebranding itself as PG and kid-friendly has hurt its viability in sports bars. To go from the Attitude Era to a completely sanitized show hasn't gone over well with WWE's main demo, males 18-34.
It's mainly due to bad booking for the young stars. The PG itself doesn't hurt the product, it's the way they do it, such as stopping matches because unplanned bleeding happened. If you think about it, pre-PG era have it's handful of embarrassing moments. Big Dick Johnson, stuff I wouldn't want to see with my parents in the room, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
Only thing I really want back is the blood for the right matches/right segments.
If it wasn't for Brock, who I'm a big fan of, leaving after two years after them giving him everything Vince might have built more stars, but he was paranoid that something like that would happen again. It's been too long though, and lack of competition isn't helping.
I also hate Vince completly erasing the word "wrestling" from the company, aside from WrestleMania. Hopefully Triple H being able to pick wrestlers to sign now will help the talent aspect at least. Sin Cara is a great first choice.
I think the PG era has alot to do with the issues with the WWE has right now. Reality tv has overtaken television and people expect to see more reality. If you book Randy Orton to be a bad *** type face, then he needs to act like that. I think what made Austin such a great performer was that he was allowed to be real. He was booked as a tough SOB and walked and talked that way.
As far as the massive amount of new young talent, the WWE has struck gold with The Miz and Alberto Del Rio. They have some potential guys like Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Wade Barrett, Dolph Ziggler, and Sheamus. For the most part though they have more stiffs that just cant get over or not allowed to because of the PG era. Alot of them like Dibiase, Hart Dynasty, and Kofi Kingston are just boring performers.
But the booking is just bad. If you've ever seen their version of ECW, guys such Swagger was SO much better there. Why? Because Vince didn't care about the show. TNA has blood all the time for no reason and that has got them nowhere. They're trying to make Mr. Anderson (AKA Mr. Kennedy) into the new Austin, but he's the most annoying character in wrestling.Quote:
Originally Posted by pharcyder
Nexus was hot, then it they lost at SummerSlam, somehow got some momentum back, then continued to look like goofs again. Cena vs. Barrett at Mania would have been big, but they ruined so many things.
Zack Ryder needs to be used. He's my favorite in the company. If you haven't seen his YouTube show, check it out. It's great.:hihi:
I love Long Island Iced Z. WOO WOO WOO...you know it. I'm going to try and be the next broski of the week. Hah.
TNA is a mess. I actually enjoyed watching it before Hogan/Bischoff got there. Now its a clusterbomb each week.
I can agree on the booking but disagree, in part, on the PG label. The biggest hindrance right now is the lack of memorable moments for the young stars. The CT doesn't let anyone get momentum. They push someone then inexplicably depush them ala Sheamus, Kofi, Bryan, Swagger, Nexus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet Blood
My problem with the PG era is how redundant it is. The Heel attacks the Face, then the opposite happens the next week, then the storyline comes full circle. While I agree that the AA was sometimes uncomfortable ( Mark Henry with a Tranny, The Outlaws with blow up dolls) there were moments that got the fans invested in feuds. Things like Rock throwing Austin off a bridge, Val Venis' near emasculation, Kane throwing Undertaker into the skeletons of his parents....those were the moments that kept me (and WWE's main demo) glued to the TV. After that, I can't go back to watching things like Tugboat handing out Hulk Hogan friendship bracelets.
I also agree on Sin Cara. I'm a total wrestling nerd. I watch it all and I've always favored the work styles of Japanese and Mexican wrestlers. There can't be enough luchadores in WWE for me. I just hope the rumors about Vince and the CT being apprehensive about Sin Cara's occasional slips isn't going to lead to him being booked like Super Crazy. :bah:
I'm kind of interested in seeing if the WWE is going to bring back some vets to balance out their talent roster. Right now Taker and HHH seem to be part time guys but with the retirement of Edge my guess is a full-time HHH is bound to make a return. Jericho's return should be by years end. I think once he finishes Dancing with the Stars and a tour with Fozzy his full-time return should be a big boost. Maybe a Batista return is around the corner.
The WWE could also make use of some actual vets they have on their roster. Booker T is pretty horrible at announcing. Get that guy in the ring. Kevin Nash looks to be in great shape. Saw him at WWE Axxess and the guy looks as good as ever physically. Diesel is jacked.
The young guys have a future but they are very green. The WWE needs to mix the vets and new generation up a bit. Maybe the vets can make up for some of the bad booking going on.
It's new for Booker, he's getting better too. Cole is the one who's been doing this for many years and is crap at commenting (he's a great heel otherwise).Quote:
Originally Posted by pharcyder
Nash wrestling? No way. Now he might be good at commentating. Plus he was never that good in the ring and moves much less that he already did. The Royal Rumble appearance though was great and he looks in great shape.
Jericho and Rey are the type of vets you want around full-time, using several a lot the way they do is not. For quite some time now they've been dependent on them. Most of the times someone new got the title, the run was a joke.
Jericho and Rey are great at putting others over, and are great in the ring.
As far as a vet who does deserve a run, Christian. One of the best and never got one of the big ones.
Guys like Nash and Booker do not need to be FT wrestlers but guys who can get involved with some of the younger talent to help them get over. My guess though is that Booker T can still hang with most of the talent in the WWE as a FT guy.
Christian does deserve a title run. His run in TNA as the main guy was probably their most entertaining programming.
Maybe it's just my old school bias but I prefer the days when they want the 'character' route. No, guys like Hillybilly Jim, George the Animal Steele, or even the Doink the Clown didn't make any sense from a 'reality' stand point but it was entertaining. I know wrestling is staged so I watched it for the entertainment factor. Granted I haven't watched the WWE regularly since the 'Attitude' era but the few times I've caught it on television it just seems like everyone wants to be Johnny Cool or some generic iteration thereof. Hardly anyone wants to do the gimmick characters. The personalities are all the same. Steroid enhanced young hipster #1 vs. steroid enhanced young hipster #2. I don't care if someone is a technically sound wrestler. Mic Foley wasn't a technically sound wrestler but he knew how to take blows, had a fairly quick wit, and knew what he looked like and played it to its full potential.
Actually, scratch that, I saw one good 'character/gimmick' guy named Santino Morella. The character was unintentionally self-effacing and funny as hell. Unfortunately I think they used him more of a punchline than a headliner.
Characters are dead. That era of wrestling dies when the Undertaker and Kane retire.
Wrestling as a whole will follow shortly after... Well, I dunno, how are the rating these days? I remember checking a couple of years ago and they paled in comparison to the late 90's/early 2000.
Raw does anywhere between a 3.0 and a 4.0% depending on how big the show is, probably averages about a 3.3. Smackdown does anywhere between 1.7 and 2.2 probably averages about a 2.0. WWE looking at getting their own network soon - I don't know if they will have the market for it. One thing I never got is with WWE focusing more on kids why not have a cartoon for kids, could have wrestlers of all generations in it - I mean they have done movies and divulged into other areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
Cena pretty much tends to the kids. Not that it's the same thing you're talking about, but yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan2709
And getting ratings is definitely good, but their PPV buys is pretty bad because their booking is crap.
RAW felt like TNA this week.
Yea it's frustrating being a Wrestling fan nowadays. The lack of build and a sense of wrestlers going on a quest for titles is what frustrates me the most. WWE doesn't have time to build up interesting feuds because there's so many damn PPV's now that things just get thrown together, and there's always some stupid stipulation instead of just 1 on 1 settle it in the ring. Not to mention that tag teams, and mid card titles mean squat now. I remember when tag team matches, and mid card titles were sometimes the main events, and those belts meant something. Nothing means anything anymore. And am I the only one that so tired of 3 way matches? And don't get me started on TNA . That show is a train wreck and it's a miracle that they are still in business. Horrible tv that show is.
It's because most of the writers today are twenty-somethings that couldn't make it in the world of sitcoms. The WWE is no longer scripted by the old time guys familiar with the wrestling business but peers of Stephanie McMahon.
Yea I agree. I just can't understand why, with business being down as it is, that they wouldn't want to cut the number ppv's, build an intriguing long term story, then at one of the major ppv's close the chapter, and start something new. That draws buys and ratings imo. Not a 4 way title match in a chamber with a belt on a ladder ppv every few weeks. Part of what made wrestling so special at one time was the emotional investment you had with the characters, the good guy and bad guy, and the thrill of victory and agony of defeat. You suspend your disbelief that it's all a work, and it sometimes felt like a real competitive sport. With what UFC is doing right now, you'd think wrestling would get more sports like I guess you could say. I know TNA tried a rankings system a while back but that went nowhere.
I guess I can always go back and watch the old Flair vs. Steamboat matches to remind myself of what wrestling should be.
Well I'm sure it's no surprise that Vince McMahon is more about the bottom line than the quality of the product -- and it's hard to fault him for that. I'm sure they've run the numbers and decided it was more profitable to crank out an endless amount of pay-per-views than cultivate storylines. It is probably even truer now in the digital age where they can sell it direct through the website without dealing with cable systems.
I agree, though, while people are willing to suspend their disbelief to a certain extent; when you make the titles meaningless and have nearly a dozen of them (which I don't know for sure... I know they had a different set when they split the RAW and Smackdown 'brands' ) then people stop caring. Of course that happened as early as the short-lived Hardcore title. An interesting idea that was absolutely ruined and made into comic relief with the belt changing hands after seconds and ten times a night. It all stems from McMahon monopolizing the industry. He was at his best when he had the competition of WCW and even ECW. After he took both over he just had way too many wrestlers to deal with and had to create half a dozen new titles and crossovers and a bunch of other nonsense.
Taking over WCW was one of Vince's major ambitions and I remember the night it happened and the 'gloating' WCW Nitro he made. However, the great irony is that ever since his overall ratings have been in steady decline. To be fair that probably isn't the only reason and I'm sure there are a bunch of other demographics that come into play.
Actually, a lot of the WWE's creative team are old vets like Sgt. Slaughter, Michael Hayes, Arn Anderson but they have hired some Hollywood writers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
I think one of the biggest factors in WWE's demise was the Lesnar situation. Vince wanted him to be the #1 guy and positioned him as such. When Lesnar left, Vince got scared that it would happen again. Now it seems that whenever someone is pushed to main event status (CM Punk, Sheamus, Jack Swagger, Miz) they are often depushed later on to keep them in check. Thus, Vince has failed to make his next generation of stars and is still relying on Orton and Cena.
That's why it's so frustrating to see TNA just totally fail as a company. If they got their act together and overhauled everything from the top down, they could be a viable #2 promotion. Instead they pay top dollar for old ex stars, bury their young talent, and put on a product that's just so dumb it's pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
MMA I'm sure has something to do with it as well. Especially PPV buyrates. A lot of the people that grew up during the attitude era have gone on to UFC and have probably lost a bit of interest in wrestling now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown Poster
Yep, I forgot that. MMA is extremely popular and -- as it isn't rigged -- actually gets covered on ESPN and such.
I agree on TNA. They have blown a huge opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReedSpeed
I'm not sure I agree on MMA effecting wrestling's popularity. I haven't run across a lot of converted fans from the Attitude Era. There is a pretty substantial % of MMA fans that are also wrestling fans. I think wrestling's demise has more to do with 1) poor creative decisions and 2) people uploading broadcasts to sharing sites.
I'm interested in the direction TNA or as they are now known as "Impact Wrestling" is going in. It's obvious that they plan to go in the direction of where "wrestling" is an accepted term. TNA isn't going to match the WWE in any way or form from a buisness perspective but they can find their way as an alternative to the WWE.
If TNA can find their way as a wrestling company that combines great in ring action with good storylines then maybe they have a chance of long term survival.
As far as MMA goes. Wrestling actually got me into MMA back in the day. When Ken Shamrock came to the WWE it peaked my interest. I have been a fan since.
Agreed. TNA has been too much of the really bad 1999-2001 WCW for as long as I can remember.
Wade Keller brought up one interesting note.. going to a commercial break during a match is like the NBA going to a commercial break during play. The matches need to be the focal point for the shows for the "wrestling matters" campaign to hold true. Wrestling should be about the title belts, thrill of winning, and the agony of defeat.
Yea it's something to keep an eye on, but if the same people are in charge of booking "Impact Wrestling", I don't expect the product to change. A name change is all fine and good, but if the company is not committed to push new talent, and change the booking philosophy, it's not going to make a lick of difference. It's kind of like what Harvey says about the Hornets, you can't keep putting band aids on a gunshot wound and expect it to get any better. This is how I view TNA. It's like they have no long term plan to better the product. I actually watched Impact the other night to see some of the reveals and name change, and in 2011 we had Hogan, Flair, Bischoff, Jeff Jarrett, Mick Foley, and Chyna in one segment together. I'm just so tired of these people, been watching them since the 80's and into the 90's, it's over get off my tv. And last night's PPV Tommy Dreamer goes over AJ Styles, the supposed face of TNA. That's just asinine. So, while I commend them for wanting to be wrestling, and not "entertainment", if you don't book your talent better, nothing is going to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by pharcyder
You guys hear Macho Man died?
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All-time wrestling great Randy "Macho Man" Savage died in a Florida car wreck Friday after suffering a heart attack behind the wheel, according to TMZ.com.
The 58-year-old Savage, a one-time minor league baseball player who helped catapult Vince McMahon's WWF into a huge success during the mid-'80s, was killed in Tampa, said his brother, fellow ex-grappler Lanny Poffo.
He snapped into his last Slim Jim. Heart attack but I'm going to guess it was induced by years of steroid abuse.
Wow...Macho Man was lookin' a bit rough.
http://nwawrestling.com/components/c...GEMEMORIAL.jpg
Ok, the first pic is funny:hihi:.
Eh, he didn't look rough. He always looked a little crazy. The white hair is what makes it look like that. He still worked out.
Macho Man is great. R.I.P.
Exactly. Especially when they did the whole Hardcore Justice/ECW's 200th reunion. They basically just pushed all of their talent aside and let these old, washed up ECW guys, except for RVD and Jerry Lynn, get a pay day instead of focusing on their TNA talent. And when Dixie said on Impact a few weeks before the PPV on how what Hogan meant to the 80s, ECW meant to the 90s. Are you kidding me!? This shows why TNA is a laughingstock and how Dixie Carter is not fit to run a "wrestling" company.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReedSpeed
My favorite guys in TNA are Fortune mainly because these were TNA originals that were homegrown guys that started with the company when they were doing PPVs every Wednesday back in 03/04. And they have stuck with the company through everything. AJ, Kaz, Daniels, and Beer Money, especially Bobby Roode who shines on the mic.
Dreamer going over AJ is just embarrassing. Dreamer should be retired and he's one of those guys who just can't let go of their careers, along with Hogan and Flair. Dreamer was better 10 years ago and Swagger told Dreamer one time on the WWECW show that "it ain't 1997 anymore Tommy." I've been to two TNA house shows, back in February at the uno arena and last month in BR, and all of these fans just love Dreamer and love chanting ECW. And I admit I was a fan too of his about 10 years ago but ECW died 10 years ago. I just don't get it.
And I was at the Extreme Rules PPV back in 09 at the N.O. Arena when Dreamer won the WWECW title and I was just disappointed because I felt it should have gone to Swagger, a rising star at the time. And it just so happened that Dreamer left the company 6 months later to join TNA. So great choice Vince :idoh:
Wow. The blows just keep coming down on WWE. In the last week, I've read about HHH saying he's "basically retired", Kharma being written off TV for her pregnancy, CM Punk likely leaving before summer's end when his contract expires, and Big Show taking time off again.
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Originally Posted by Hornet Hysteria
Wow didn't know CM Punk might be leaving, oh well it wasn't like he was being used properly. How do yall fell bout the R-Truth push? Personally I like it, I would like it even better if he cut the platts off his head, but thats me. R-Truth= the new angry black man! lol
I love it! He's been the star of RAW for weeks now. His facial expressions are exquisite. I lost it when he asked the fan in the crowd," What's your son's name. Wait, lemme guess: lil' Jimmy?" :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by accfsu34
R Truth has alot of old school in him. Today, all these new heels seem to just read off a script and have the same generic mannerisms. R Truth seems to be able to have a good feel for the crowd and veer off script a bit to draw some heat.
There is a reason people quickly became bored with Swagger, McIntyre, Sheamus, Barrett, Dibiase, and those types after a hot start. They had no ability to bring anything new. They all just followed a script and have done the same promo over and over again. Their mannerisms are the same. Their interaction with the crowd is horrible. Del Rio is starting to become stale already because he brings the same exact thing over and over.
WWWYKI!!! needs a push!!!
Three things...
1) CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK CM PUNK!!! Please for the love of God let this whole contract issue be just him taking a break and coming back for Wrestlemania or Rumble!! I would love it if somehow he got involved in the Rock Cena match.
2) R Truth and Lil Jimmy is probably the most hilarious thing I've seen in wrestling for a while.
3) I'd like to see more development out of ZACK RYDER and Dolph Zigler! WOO WOO WOOOOOOOOo
The Punk thing is a work. No way he shoots on McMahon/Steph/Trips like that without permission. It's part of a story line. I'm guessing he'll take a little time away and then come back. There is no off season for what these guys do. He's been working/traveling/beating up his body for 6 straight years. He probably needs a 3-6 month break.
This coming Monday night...Punk (who the WWE web site says has been suspended indefinitely) will do a run in. No way a truely suspended person does a run in.
R-Truth's work with the "little Jimmy" gimmick has been fantastic. How long can it last. Can he be a one trick pony? This story needs some character development and new twists. Doing the little Jimmy thing for months and months will become old at some point.
A lot of the locker room guys (including Cena) like Ryder...but for some reason WWE won't or can't get him going.
Dolph seems to be involved in a push right now. Let's see if they stick with it our abandon his push like they've done with Miz, Sheamus, Barrett, etc. WWE says they want to build up the young guys, but rarely stick with a guy and push him into that top card level in a sustainable way.
I agree the Punk promo was one of the best things I've seen on RAW since the Nexus invasion last summer. WWE managed to screw that up, but we can only hope and beg WWE does not screw Punk's thing up. Even though it was a work, Punk still spoke from the heart and meant every word. Everything from Cena kissing Vince's @$$ to being frustrated he's not in the WM main event to Heyman helping him get started, every word was true. When he came into the WWE 6 years ago, Paul Heyman saw something in him and almost everybody was against him, claiming he has an attitude problem and so forth. But the thing is he has been reliable, busts his hump night in and night out, and yet he is passed over by seeing guys like Del Rio and Miz get pushes and not him.
It all goes into the fact that Vince likes to create his own characters and how Vince likes big guys. CM Punk created his own name and his own character from ROH and I think Vince still gets irritated by it.
IMO, I think Punk will take a little break and return around Rumble time. Punk has always been entertaining, heel or face; and WWE should not let him slip away.
Love the R-Truth gimmick. He's finally interesting and wound up to get over as a credible heel in a matter of a month's time.
One rumor is Vince won't push Ryder because "Vince hates the Internet."
Glad to see Dolph with the US title, but very disappointed he's not in MITB. I really look forward to MITB every year because it's the one time an up-and-coming star is almost guaranteed a title reign (i.e. Punk, Miz, Swagger). For RAW, Del Rio is almost guaranteed to win because a lot of people are saying he will cash in on Cena or Punk that night. If not Del Rio, Riley could win it but it's way too soon for him. Miz could win it or even Kofi. For SD, my top 3 are: Sheamus, Barrett, Rhodes. Rhodes could be a huge dark horse to win it.