Offensive Rating/Defensive Rating, Offensive Win Shares/Defensive Win Shares, Win Shares, Win Shares per 48 minutes
1. Anthony Davis - 109/105, 0.9/0.6, 1.5, 0.130
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 109/110, 1.2/0.4, 1.6, 0.091
3. Bradley Beal - 94/106, -0.3/0.8, 0.4, 0.027
4. Dion Waiters - 94/109, -0.3/0.4, 0.1, -.004
5. Thomas Robinson - 87/107, -0.4/0.3, -0.1, -0.013 (That's awful for a 3 year college player)
6. Damian Lillard - 108/110, 1.9/0.4, 2.3, 0.102
7. Harrison Barnes - 101/105, 0.3/0.8, 1.1, 0.070
8. Terrence Ross - 95/109, -0.1/0.3, 0.2, .016
9. Andre Drummond - 114/98, 1.1/1.2, 2.3, 0.178 (What a surprise he's been)
10. Austin Rivers - 87/113, -0.8,0.1, -0.7, -0.043
11. Meyers Leonard - 117/107, 0.8/0.4, 1.2, 0.115
12. Jeremy Lamb - 107/108, 0.1/0.0, 0.1, 0.098 (limited playing time)
13. Kendall Marshall - 65/115, -0.1/0.0, -0.1, -0.150 (limited playing time thankfully)
14. John Henson - 97/103, 0.0/0.2, 0.3, 0.066 (limited playing time)
15. Mo Harkless - 98/100, 0.1/0.8, 0.085 (not bad at all for a young pup like him)
16. Royce White (wasted pick)
17. Tyler Zeller - 97/108, 0.0/0.5, 0.4, 0.031
18. Terrence Jones - 104/106, 0.1/0.1, 0.2, 0.089 (limited playing time)
19. Andrew Nicholson - 105/103, 0.5/0.5, 1.0, 0.116
20. Evan Fournier - 97/110, 0.0/0.0, 0.018 (limited playing time)
21. Jared Sullinger - 112/102, 0.8/0.7, 1.5, 0.135 (not surprised how productive he's been)
22. Fab Melo -
23. John Jenkins - 108/107, 0.1/0.1, 0.2, 0.115 (limited playing time so far, but the Hawks are using him more now)
24. Jared Cunningham - 98/109, 0.0/0.0, 0.0, 0.035 (limited playing time)
25. Tony Wroten - 19/95, -0.1/0.0, -0.1, -0.332 (only 3 games)
26. Miles Plumlee - 90/99, 0.0/0.0, 0.037 (6 games)
27. Arnett Moultrie - 104/106, 0.0/0.1, 0.1, 0.077 (11 games)
28. Perry Jones - 52/105, -0.4/0.1, -0.3, -0.176 (10 games)
29. Marquis Teague - 91/105, -0.1/0.1, 0.0, 0.017 (15 games)
Highest Offensive Win Shares - Lillard
Highest Defensive Win Shares - Drummond
Highest Win Shares - Lillard/Drummond
2012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
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12-30-2012, 08:03 AMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
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12-30-2012, 09:35 AMDavisistheman
I remember a lot of people(not just on this site) saying that dell was crazy for not picking Royce White at #10. Especially a certain local NOLA beat writer.
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12-30-2012, 09:35 AMBallSoHard
So Let's rate your top 3 in ROY performnces knowing this:
Lillard
Davis
Drummond
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12-30-2012, 09:36 AMBallSoHard
Royce White is a complicated picture to paint. Im not sure if the rockets are the problem or if he is. He clearly doesn't "Love" basketball though.
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12-30-2012, 09:42 AMHornetGuru
We were SOOOO close to pairing Davis and Drummond for the future it drives me nuts!!! oh well
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12-30-2012, 09:55 AMBallSoHardDon't remind me! that was really upsetting. We could have also had Drummond coming off the bench behind Lopez doing the same thing until he was ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornetGuru
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12-30-2012, 10:05 AMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st roundDrummondQuote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
Lillard
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12-30-2012, 10:14 AMBallSoHardDoes Drummond play enough mpg in your opinion to receive the award? I don't think so due to only playing 19 MPG. Lillard, Davis and MKG have a lot more being asked of them. Which is why i put them ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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12-30-2012, 10:19 AMMichaelMcNamara
Drummond comes in and stands by the basket on both ends for the entire 19 minutes that he is out there.
His per minutes stats are great because all he does is get layups and dunks, but he is not even in the running for the award IMO.
He is a 3rd down pass rusher. He is asked to do one thing and he does it well, but he doesn't really help his team outside of that. Cant play him at end of games because of his free throw shooting and cant dump the ball down to him in the post or kick it out to him for a mid range jumper.
He is doing fine for what he is being asked to do, but he shouldn't be in consideration for ROY -
12-30-2012, 10:25 AMiNolaNightmareQuote:
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12-30-2012, 10:59 AMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
ROY is a meaningless award anyway. Just a way for the media members to make themselves feel important.
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12-30-2012, 11:07 AMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
Anyway. Lillard doesn't play any defense. That's a negative on him.
Drummond gets dunks and layups because of his size and athleticism. Also, he rebounds very well and his defensive rating is good. He averages 7/7 off the bench which is impressive to me. I'm not saying he deserves ROY, but he's impressed me a lot. Davis hasn't been nearly as good since coming back from his ankle injury. -
12-30-2012, 12:31 PMsipclipIf you don't watch him play then you shouldn't post. Drummond gets after it on both ends of the court. He is doing far more than just standing by the basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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12-30-2012, 01:05 PMEman5805
I knew Drummond would be solid. Even if all he does is guard the paint. What more should he be doing? Not gonna take the ball out of Greg Monroe's hands.
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12-30-2012, 05:14 PMPelicans_fan_504To back up this statement Oakafor won ROTY over D Howard lol. We all saw how that turned outQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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12-30-2012, 05:19 PMMichaelMcNamaraI am not saying he is bad. Not at all. Just that he shouldn't be in the running for ROY. I would love a guy like that on our team, but he is severely limited at this stage of his career, while Davis and Lillard impact all aspects of the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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12-30-2012, 06:58 PMbradaelDavis's averages before the ankle injury are almost identical to what he's done after the injury. He's at 14/8.6 in December.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
It's a joke that people actually would consider Drummond for ROY right now for only averaging 7/7. He'll never get consistent minutes in this league with how poor he shoots from the line. He's at 40.6%, yet that's still far greater than what he averaged in college. -
12-30-2012, 07:03 PMBallSoHardIt depends on what he does on the court. If he's a 20-10 guy he'll get minutes. Shaq had a few .480 something FT years but he was so dominant on the court he stayed in. for the record I am in now way saying Drummond will be in the same breath as Shaq, just saying if he's a productive guy he would just need to raise that FT % 10 points to be worth it to leave on the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradael
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12-30-2012, 07:04 PMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st roundNo one is considering Drummond ROY.Quote:
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12-30-2012, 07:25 PMjdmcuc2012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
Royce White is refusing to play because he believes the Rockets have no support for his illness. Just refused a D-League assignment. If he played, wouldnt mind having him to be honest.
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12-30-2012, 07:32 PMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st roundHe has an illness, but he's not doing anyone any favors either. If he really wants to play basketball then he will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmcuc
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12-30-2012, 07:33 PMBallSoHardIt's not like he can guard a 3. Not sure where he fits in.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmcuc
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12-30-2012, 07:37 PMPelicans782012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st roundOn Madden's bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallSoHard
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12-31-2012, 05:44 AMda ThRONeYeah I'm sorry Micheal but if you are watching Drummond you would see he contributes much more than fhat. It's funny you are taking shots because all he does is dunk, yet Davis has a much higher rate of assisted baskets. Dude already looks like a top tier offensive rebounder. He is on a team that has plenty of players looking for their own offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by sipclip
The few times he has gotten the ball in position to attack he has looked great. Once Franks takes the chains off of AD he may end up better than even I thought. -
12-31-2012, 05:56 AMda ThRONe
http://youtu.be/kbNBdvQwdIk
Look at the :33 mark and the 1:20 mark. This is a guy who is 6'11 and 278lbs. That lateral movement, explosiveness, touch, balance, ball-handling, and body control are quality for a guard, but it's mind blowing for a center with his size and strength.
I agree he shouldn't win the award playing limited mins. However this guy even with his mental lapse has been unbelievable scary way more than any other rookie I've seen all year. -
12-31-2012, 06:02 AMda ThRONe
The three players that I wanted from this draft was Drummond, MKG, and Sullinger.
Really thought Thomas Robinson would have a much better early impact on the league. I had him as my preseason ROTY. -
12-31-2012, 07:12 AMInner_GIThose three players are nice, but why is Anthony Davis not seen as a up and coming star in the league? I don't think Sullinger will ever be a star. The other two players could possibly anchor a franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by da ThRONe
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12-31-2012, 07:28 AMHard'n'DaPaint
I agree that Drummond is impressive in that video. But you can't tell that he's been more impressive than Davis.
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12-31-2012, 07:49 AMPelicans78
I would still rather have Davis long-term over Drummond since I think Davis will be a Tyson Chandler type with a much better offensive game and Tyson Chandler is a damn good player in this league. Still, I like what Drummond is doing right now and he should get better.
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12-31-2012, 09:23 AMAD23forMVP
I'm interested to see what becomes of Drummond when they start him.
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12-31-2012, 09:32 AMBallSoHardThomas Robinson is in a bad place in Sacremento. I think it's a black hole where talent goes to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by da ThRONe
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12-31-2012, 10:16 AMSilverfoxxI spit out my hot tea laughing lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Russy
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12-31-2012, 11:36 AM42The Royce White situation is fascinating. From the Rockets perspective, they are have get him `comfortable' and stuff like that in. From his perspective, he's an injured as someone with a broken leg and is being asked to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
It's not entirely unlike the Eric Gordon nothing-on-the-MRI situation, frankly.
It's truly fascinating. I don't blame either party. This really is ground being broken.
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12-31-2012, 12:24 PMEman5805
Davis's ceiling is higher because he's far more offensively skilled. His jumper is mechanically sound, but incrementally off. Drummond can't even shoot more than 50% from the FT. But he is going to be a terror. Dude could be what Greg Oden could've become, only a little shorter and less skilled. Physically, he'll be without pier. Dwight Howard never could pull some of the moves Drummond can. Not coordinated enough.
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12-31-2012, 02:13 PMda ThRONeIt was either Davis or MKG. No way we could have had both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inner_GI
I felt we could have traded down one with Charlotte and gotten their 1st in 2013. -
12-31-2012, 02:20 PMRaisingTheBar2012 NBA Draft Class update - 1st round
ROY is down to Davis and Lillard easily. No one else is even in the picture. IMO lillard will take it hands down unless Davis can somehow get his average up to 20 and 10 which I don't see happening this year.