Report: Magic coach on the verge of being fired, but Monty stays clear!?

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This really confuses me, clearly Magic are tanking this season, yet their coach seems to have better expectations than Monty?? If coaches are being fired like Malone and Vaughan how is Monty still coaching, without any speculation

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

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This really confuses me, clearly Magic are tanking this season, yet their coach seems to have better expectations than Monty?? If coaches are being fired like Malone and Vaughan how is Monty still coaching, without any speculation

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Seriously?

i don't understand this fire Monty thing... maybe someone can enlighten me.

Maybe bc our best player has yr highest PER in NBA history so far this year and we're essentially a .500 team. And we go thru SERIOUS stretches where the offense plays one on one hero ball with no semblance of guidance and/or play calling.

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Orlando W-15 L-34
New Orleans W-24 L-22

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Originally Posted by WhoDatPelican

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Exactly.

I was just gonna say, does no one realize we are above .500 in the western conference?

Like, if Monty and Dell and the rest of us were lucky enough to be in the East we'd be sitting on the 4th seed right now.

Though, oddly enough, we play our worst basketball against the East O.o

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Originally Posted by ThaTerrapin

Maybe bc our best player has yr highest PER in NBA history so far this year and we're essentially a .500 team. And we go thru SERIOUS stretches where the offense plays one on one hero ball with no semblance of guidance and/or play calling.

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not sure of this... when a player starts playing hero ball so best way to fix that is fire the coach? what about trade the player? I think the Pels haven't had a healthy and consistent roster for the past 3 years. yet our record seams to be getting better.
W L
2012-13 27 55 .329
2013-14 34 48 .415
2014-15 24 22 .522

if you can find ways to win games with your starters being out then i think that reflects on the coach.

A defensive coach with top 10 defensive talent is one of the worst defenses in the league.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

A defensive coach with top 10 defensive talent is one of the worst defenses in the league.

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Over the past 15 games we've actually been a top 10 defense. Having Luke Babbit playing SF in your most used lineup on the year is going to kill defensive numbers.

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Originally Posted by PhilJFry

Over the past 15 games we've actually been a top 10 defense. Having Luke Babbit playing SF in your most used lineup on the year is going to kill defensive numbers.

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We've also been playing some of the league's worst offenses/teams

Although I have seen some improvement in the eye test.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

A defensive coach with top 10 defensive talent is one of the worst defenses in the league.

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This here is enough that he should be fired. A team with Jrue, Asik, and AD should never be bottom 10 D.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

We've also been playing some of the league's worst offenses/teams

Although I have seen some improvement in the eye test.

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And before that we had the second hardest schedule in the league. Truth is in the middle

IMO, a coach like Thibs would have this team as a top 4 seed. However, not all teams can have great coaches.

Monty is a lame duck, but the key is knowing you can find the right replacement.

If Thibs is such a great coach, why is Chicago ready to run his arse out of town?

Why don't you actually read about their issues with Tibs before you post that. It's the same situation as with Harbaugh. He butts heads with upper management. Niners will miss Harbaugh and Bulls will miss Tibs if they fire him.

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Originally Posted by Liltiger

If Thibs is such a great coach, why is Chicago ready to run his arse out of town?

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Stupidity. Pride. Ego.

Don't be transparent.

We actually have the #14 defense. It could probably be higher, but injuries and all.

Defense gets better with playing time, guys getting used to each other and knowing where they're supposed to be. It'll continue to get better with continuity. It's crazy to me some of you think that you can just plug in players and have a top 5 D in the league. It's our 3rd year of rebuilding, we're almost there and some of you have already lost patience, go look at what OKC and Memphis were doing in their 3rd rebuilding year. Do I think Monty's a great coach? No, but blaming ALL of our defensive problems on the coach is ridiculous.

I honestly think that if this was 7 years ago and Benson had just bought the team then Monty would have been fired by now. But this Benson, the Benson that is older, arguably losing his mind and embattled with litigation with his own family is probably not interested in uprooting this franchise ATM.

Furthermore I actually fear that in the process of his new found love for New Orleans that has metastasized over the last 5 or so years - after his long career of seemingly looking for every opportunity to leave this state - he has gone full nepotist and that if Monty is gone we are looking down the barrel of a Avery Johnson/Joe Dumars future.

Someone link me to an article calling Monty a defensive coach. Tired of BS narratives being regurgitated left and right.

Any excuse to start another FIRE MONTY thread....

We have a winning team in the Western Conference, and we have beaten all but one of the WC championship contenders this year. We just beat the Clips without our two most accomplished players.

Give. It. A. Rest.

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Originally Posted by NOEngineer

Give. It. A. Rest.

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they will...
till the next time.
and once again...

no matter what - as Kings example shows that it might not be the good thing to give the job to the assistant - nobody will fire Monty. 25-22 in great West. some great wins (and terrible loses). and great chemistry with star player.

zero chances...

I was in the Monty's fire-wagon, but at this point of the season he is safe
till the end of February we have 11 games (8 at home). 4-5 are hard on paper. let's assume 7-4 (hopefully 8-3 or better). so it is 33-26 or better.
we are in PO hunt

I don't think a win against the Clippers, even while we were undermanned, is enough to stop the fire Monty train. We have also lost to several teams when they were undermanned and we weren't.

Honestly, the only narrative where Monty is safe (without making the playoffs) is if we are a game away from the 8th spot.

Monty and Thibs have one thing in common. They have the same record in the nba finals 0-0

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We actually have the #14 defense. It could probably be higher, but injuries and all.

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Opponent PPG is not a good way to measure our defense. We play at the 4th slowest pace in the league. We're bottom 10 in DRtg

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Monty and Thibs have one thing in common. They have the same record in the nba finals 0-0

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They've both won in other places assistants though

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Originally Posted by ThaTerrapin

Maybe bc our best player has yr highest PER in NBA history so far this year and we're essentially a .500 team. And we go thru SERIOUS stretches where the offense plays one on one hero ball with no semblance of guidance and/or play calling.

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To play devil's advocate, when Wilt Chamberlain set the PER record, his team was 31-49

Good point. Finally someone has made a good counter point. That's what I like to see. I'm so torn on Monty though. While I don't think firing a coach midseason does any good, I'm not sold on him beyond this season. The one thing I can't tell is if Monty is calling plays and doing the right things during these 5 minute stretches where they play iso one on one hero ball and they're just ignoring his coaching. Some of the simplest things bother me that any knowledgeable bball fan should notice. Pick n roll defense. This had been bad even back to the Byron Scott days. They FAR too often go over screens/run into the screener on guys that aren't threatening from beyond the arc. Another is Asik constantly holding the ball below or at his waist. I'm sure that's being beaten into his skull and he's just dumb. I assume. The team as a whole guards backcourt players too smothering beyond the arc. If John Wall is gonna make 9 threes and beat you, you have to live with that.

Couldn't you people simply open a fire monty thread or resume the old one? Man but you can be boring

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Couldn't you people simply open a fire monty thread or resume the old one? Man but you can be boring

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im sorry you're so fussy, ill do that exactly just for you next time

Monty's here for the rest of the year.


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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Monty's here for the rest of the year.


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Geaux Pels!
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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

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This really confuses me, clearly Magic are tanking this season, yet their coach seems to have better expectations than Monty?? If coaches are being fired like Malone and Vaughan how is Monty still coaching, without any speculation

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The Pelicans are 2 games from the 8th spot, as of yesterday, in a tough Western conference. They might not get the spot, but they are competing.

We are only 2 games from the 8 seed. These next 10 games will be very telling.

I was just going to ignore this thread seeing that the win over the Clippers stops the nonsense from "fans of winning only" from dressing up as "fans of the Pelicans" and calling for Monty's head. After all, they only complain after losses, and they really know nothing of basketball for the most part (there are exceptions). They clearly do not watch other teams.

Still, I am glad to see readers demanding evidence from these charletans. Good job.

I will say that there was stuff to criticize monty for, and they just can not see them. Funny.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

We actually have the #14 defense. It could probably be higher, but injuries and all.

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We're 23rd, tied with Denver, in defensive efficiency. We play a very slow pace, which holds down the ppg against.

But by the same token, we're 8th in offensive efficiency and are much better on that end than the #'s look.

Jaque Vaughn is gone (hey that rhymes)

The Orlando Magic have fired head coach Jacque Vaughn, general manager Rob Hennigan announced Thursday.

Vaughn, 39, was in his third year as Orlando's coach and had a 58-158 record. A former Spurs assistant coach under Gregg Popovich, Vaughn was hired to guide the Magic in their post-Dwight Howard era.

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Pop is ruining teams around the league.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

Pop is ruining teams around the league.

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Setting unachievable expectations since 1996

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As a KU fan, I'm sad that Jacque didn't pan out in Orlando.

I'm happy that Borrego is getting a shot though.

I feel so conflicted.

The Borrego thing is quite interesting. Monty had quite a coaching staff at one point. I've been a fan of the idea of making changes (or additions) to the staff before whacking Monty.

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Originally Posted by greewe

As a KU fan, I'm sad that Jacque didn't pan out in Orlando.

I'm happy that Borrego is getting a shot though.

I feel so conflicted.

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Greewe - how come you post here so infrequently? I, for one, would like to hear from you more. Please don't tell me you spend most of your time on another board that shall not be named.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Greewe - how come you post here so infrequently? I, for one, would like to hear from you more. Please don't tell me you spend most of your time on another board that shall not be named.

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Ha. No other boards for me. I wish I had more time to be a bigger part of the community, but I work full time and am a full time graduate student, so I don't have all that much spare time.

ThaTerrepin makes the most sense of anyone on here. The coach has to reign in that iso ball or sit that player on the bench. I grew up watching Jerry Sloan. He would have never given minutes to a me first type player.

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The Borrego thing is quite interesting. Monty had quite a coaching staff at one point. I've been a fan of the idea of making changes (or additions) to the staff before whacking Monty.

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The "Monty" tree.

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Originally Posted by JimmerTime

. Monty is a lame duck

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Don't bet your retirement on it.