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06-02-2010, 12:35 AM
number2pick

Trade with Detroit (Collison)

Hey guys Im a Pistons fan and was wondering what it'd take to get Darren Collison. Bear with me as Im sure some of you are annoyed with the Collison trade talk. Just wanted to see what you thought of this:

In: Tayshaun (expiring), Jerebko, Wilcox (expiring), 2011 1st

Out: Peja and Collison

Would that be something of interest for you guys? If you really like DC then wouldnt you want him to be a starter in this league? The Pistons are desperate for a real pg, even though Dumars will not admit it, and would fit perfectly in Detroit with Stuckey.
06-02-2010, 12:43 AM
GrandAdmiral

As much as I want to get rid of Peja, I'm not trading Collison away
06-02-2010, 12:58 AM
keijicosis

We've been looking for a back up to Paul for awhile, we find one and people wanna get rid of him...unbelievable.
06-02-2010, 01:05 AM
number2pick

DC can start in this league. Why would you keep him as a backup when you can get some serious value in a trade for him. you guys need help at the 3 and would be getting a work horse in Jerebko and not to mention a future 1st round pick...and forget about adding a savy vet who won a championship and happens to be an olympian in Tayshaun. Theres not a better influence on young guys in the league than Tayshaun and you'd be getting him as only a part of a package with some real value.
06-02-2010, 01:16 AM
Harvey

Awesome young and cheap back up to Chris Paul.....and Paul may not even be here much longer. Yeah, makes total sense to give him away. Would you take West from us for a #2 draft pick in 2046 as well?
06-02-2010, 01:20 AM
Daneman

Quote:

Originally Posted by number2pick

DC can start in this league. Why would you keep him as a backup when you can get some serious value in a trade for him.

1) We've complained for years that we've lacked a true point to back up CP3. Now that we have one, we don't want to dump him and put ourselves back in the same position. Consider him our version of Manu coming off the bench.

2) Paul's been injury prone the last few seasons.

3) We'll continue to hold onto him until Paul's contract runs out- if CP3 were to leave, we'd obviously lose a playmaker, but if CP3 leaves and we've given away Collison? That's an even bigger problem.....

We'll definitely struggle at the 3 this year, but we'll be able to target that once Peja/Mo Pete/Posey come off the books.....
06-02-2010, 01:22 AM
ohnosono

If we ever trade DC, it'll be worth it. He'll probably be here for a while(especially while Paul's future is so unsure)
06-02-2010, 01:56 AM
number2pick

how about adding a resigned Will Bynum to the package?
06-02-2010, 01:57 AM
West Coast Hornet

Quote:

Originally Posted by number2pick

DC can start in this league. Why would you keep him as a backup when you can get some serious value in a trade for him. you guys need help at the 3 and would be getting a work horse in Jerebko and not to mention a future 1st round pick...and forget about adding a savy vet who won a championship and happens to be an olympian in Tayshaun. Theres not a better influence on young guys in the league than Tayshaun and you'd be getting him as only a part of a package with some real value.

How do we get value for him now when he is on a rookie contract? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe your answer is that you take Peja, well that doesn't help us either as his salary comes off the books at the end of the season. It's an easy "NO" to your proposal. Sorry.
06-02-2010, 02:58 AM
thefuture

Take Okafor & Posey and I'd have no problem with the trade
06-02-2010, 06:22 AM
amay

Wallace/gordon for Dwest n Peja :p
06-02-2010, 07:05 AM
thefuture

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Originally Posted by amay

Wallace/gordon for Dwest n Peja :p

Ugh, a big big big big big big NO!
06-02-2010, 08:17 AM
killah

I am no on this trade too because as West Coast Hornet said, Peja comes off the books next year anyway. Most Hornets fans don’t expect to be a whole lot better next year anyway, so you might as well not get rid of a young productive player especially because Chris Paul has been hurt so often lately.
06-02-2010, 08:19 AM
NemesisKING

"DETROIT CITY!!!!", "Gitta Rope".
06-02-2010, 08:43 AM
Blaqmoon

how about we not trade him
06-02-2010, 08:49 AM
Hugeaux II

i'd be okay with trading DC, but the deal would have to take one of the "bad" longer term contracts off the books, not one of the bad expring contracts.
just because we haven't been able to find a servicable back-up point since Speedy left doesn't mean they are actually that hard to get. DC is going to be a starter in this league at some point, here or somewhere else. but until we get a little more comfortable with the direction of our team for the next 3-5 years any offer for DC would probably have to be fairly one-sided in our favor
06-02-2010, 09:17 AM
Eman5805

If we move DC, we'd better get a young, big with good size, toughness, athleticism, and a penchant for good interior D in exchange.

But...what team would want to let a player like that go, unless they have two guys just like that? And I can't think of many teams with a two bigs fitting the description that they can let go.
06-02-2010, 09:29 AM
Ry4598

only way i'm moving DC is if we can attach OK4 to the deal...
06-02-2010, 09:46 AM
GeauxPelicans

Only way I'm trading Collison (to Detroit) is if Okafor goes, and we get back Prince, Maxiel, Jerebko and 2011 1st. JMO though
06-02-2010, 10:06 AM
mjh79

Collison is a potential star. The fact that we have Paul does not lower his trade value. If we trade him, a potential star is what we should get back. Detroit has no actual or potential stars. Unless the Pistons are able to move into the top 4 of the draft, there is nothing on that roster that the Hornets would consider equal value.

I am one of the few on this board that believes the Hornets could improve by trading Collison. However, Detroit is 29th out of 29 teams in terms of having anything the Hornets would want for Collison.
06-02-2010, 11:32 AM
GrandAdmiral

Wait. Peja's an expiring? Aw dude, that is a definite negative on that proposal. Deal doesn't work for us in any of your scenarios.
06-02-2010, 11:36 AM
Pelicans78

Quote:

Originally Posted by number2pick

Hey guys Im a Pistons fan and was wondering what it'd take to get Darren Collison. Bear with me as Im sure some of you are annoyed with the Collison trade talk. Just wanted to see what you thought of this:

In: Tayshaun (expiring), Jerebko, Wilcox (expiring), 2011 1st

Out: Peja and Collison

Would that be something of interest for you guys? If you really like DC then wouldnt you want him to be a starter in this league? The Pistons are desperate for a real pg, even though Dumars will not admit it, and would fit perfectly in Detroit with Stuckey.

We really don't gain anything by this trade. Peja is already an expiring contract. Basically we're giving up DC for Jerebko. If Okafor was involved instead of Peja then it would be better.
06-02-2010, 12:47 PM
GeauxPelicans

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjh79

Collison is a potential star. The fact that we have Paul does not lower his trade value. If we trade him, a potential star is what we should get back. Detroit has no actual or potential stars. Unless the Pistons are able to move into the top 4 of the draft, there is nothing on that roster that the Hornets would consider equal value.

I am one of the few on this board that believes the Hornets could improve by trading Collison. However, Detroit is 29th out of 29 teams in terms of having anything the Hornets would want for Collison.

My trade poposal makes us younger, longer and more athletic than we currently are, gives us a starting 3, that can play the 4 at times who loves to rebound and play D, a backup 4/5 who would be our banger, is a good rebounder and plays decent D, while shooting good %'s. Not to mention it adds another 11-12 mill in expiring after the 2011 season, a first round pick from a bad team next season and most importantly gets us out of our worst contract? All this for our BACK UP PG? Sounds like stealing to me
06-02-2010, 01:35 PM
Oysterman

I think we need to trade either Paul or Collison. You can't have the 2 best players on your team both play the same position and both be under 6-2.
06-02-2010, 02:00 PM
jayjay2

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Originally Posted by Oysterman

I think we need to trade either Paul or Collison. You can't have the 2 best players on your team both play the same position and both be under 6-2.

That's... crazy in the best way I can put it
06-02-2010, 02:02 PM
NYKF Hornet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oysterman

I think we need to trade either Paul or Collison. You can't have the 2 best players on your team both play the same position and both be under 6-2.

Paul will give us more value in return because Collison is under valued while CP is over valued.

That said, I still say you can have both on the same team since we will never get true fair value for either of them.
06-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Phlash

dont see y we would trade collison for a back rookie and another ending contract, if they wanna take okafor or mo pete and posey then we can talk
06-02-2010, 04:09 PM
juju99

If we trade DC it should be to win

This trade doesnt do that, a move for Prince is a move to win now but when the sweetener is a future first and a young guy that is making a move for the future.

Something like Collison, Posey, Peja, Okafor for Rip, Prince, Wilcox

NOH gets to win now and ditches their bad contracts and Detroit tries to rebuild around expirings and youth
06-02-2010, 04:26 PM
jayjay2

Quote:

Originally Posted by juju99

If we trade DC it should be to win

This trade doesnt do that, a move for Prince is a move to win now but when the sweetener is a future first and a young guy that is making a move for the future.

Something like Collison, Posey, Peja, Okafor for Rip, Prince, Wilcox

NOH gets to win now and ditches their bad contracts and Detroit tries to rebuild around expirings and youth

Still a horrible idea...
06-02-2010, 04:27 PM
sleepingbunch

No offense, but I prefer that the Hornets make trades that actually make the team better. This trade would make the Pistons better, and the Hornets worse. Hence, it is not a good trade.
06-02-2010, 04:27 PM
juju99

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjay2

Still a horrible idea...

Well its a lot better than his
06-02-2010, 04:32 PM
jayjay2

Quote:

Originally Posted by juju99

Well its a lot better than his

Lol, well if you're going by that standard yeah
06-02-2010, 05:01 PM
juju99

^
The way I see it there are 2 routes we could take

1) Clear out all our deadweight contracts for productive expirings/slightly overpaid players to contend for the championship

2)Hold onto the expirings and look to ditch Okafor/West for more capspace, and picks
06-02-2010, 07:27 PM
SaintCP3

I know we all love DC and how much we have always wanted a back up PG but DC is not aand should not be on the bench in this league, he is starter material. We need to pack him with one of our big contractsto get rid of cap space and also get some value.
06-02-2010, 07:31 PM
Pelicans78

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintCP3

I know we all love DC and how much we have always wanted a back up PG but DC is not aand should not be on the bench in this league, he is starter material. We need to pack him with one of our big contractsto get rid of cap space and also get some value.

We need to keep him until CP3 signs a long-term extension. If we trade DC now and CP3 bolts two years from now, we're screwed.

Besides, DC has the chance to be 6th man of the year.
06-02-2010, 10:20 PM
West Coast Hornet

Nein. Diese ist nicht gut!
06-03-2010, 12:06 AM
number2pick

Detroit Trade (sorry, new thread but please read)

Hi guys, sorry I had to start a new thread because I couldnt help but notice something that I wanted more light shed on

You guys are actually willing to trade Okafor??? Have you guys realized that Detroit is desperate for big men and that Okafor is a player Pistons fans would love to trade for..

I would have included him in my original post about trading for Collison but thought I'd be asking too much..

So here it goes, would you approve of the following trade (assuming this all worked under the cap..):
In: Tayshaun (11 mil expiring), Wilcox (3 mil expiring), Jerebko, Bynum (resigned) or future 1st.
Out: Okafor, Posey, Collison

PS. I must say I am pretty impressed by the amount of responses you guys give on these threads. I wouldnt even dream of seeing 35 responses for a single thread on the message board I frequent for the Pistons
06-03-2010, 12:10 AM
West Coast Hornet

merge city, bro! :D
06-03-2010, 01:23 AM
GeauxPelicans

Quote:

Originally Posted by number2pick

Hi guys, sorry I had to start a new thread because I couldnt help but notice something that I wanted more light shed on

You guys are actually willing to trade Okafor??? Have you guys realized that Detroit is desperate for big men and that Okafor is a player Pistons fans would love to trade for..

I would have included him in my original post about trading for Collison but thought I'd be asking too much..

So here it goes, would you approve of the following trade (assuming this all worked under the cap..):
In: Tayshaun (11 mil expiring), Wilcox (3 mil expiring), Jerebko, Bynum (resigned) or future 1st.
Out: Okafor, Posey, Collison

PS. I must say I am pretty impressed by the amount of responses you guys give on these threads. I wouldnt even dream of seeing 35 responses for a single thread on the message board I frequent for the Pistons

I made a very similar proposal earlier in this thread, except I had Maxiell instead of Wilcox and Posey wasn't included. This was my response to a guy who didn't want to move Collison "My trade poposal makes us younger, longer and more athletic than we currently are, gives us a starting 3, that can play the 4 at times who loves to rebound and play D, a backup 4/5 who would be our banger, is a good rebounder and plays decent D, while shooting good %'s. Not to mention it adds another 11-12 mill in expiring after the 2011 season, a first round pick from a bad team next season and most importantly gets us out of our worst contract? All this for our BACK UP PG? Sounds like stealing to me." So yes, I would make that trade in a hearbeat, but like I said I would rather Maxiell over Wilcox and your 1st next year over Bynum. Do you really think that Detroit will take on that kind of money? Yall already have Gordon, Charlie V and Rip on bad contracts, Okafor would just add to it.
06-03-2010, 05:48 AM
Scirea

Quote:

Originally Posted by number2pick

Hi guys, sorry I had to start a new thread because I couldnt help but notice something that I wanted more light shed on

You guys are actually willing to trade Okafor??? Have you guys realized that Detroit is desperate for big men and that Okafor is a player Pistons fans would love to trade for..

I would have included him in my original post about trading for Collison but thought I'd be asking too much..

So here it goes, would you approve of the following trade (assuming this all worked under the cap..):
In: Tayshaun (11 mil expiring), Wilcox (3 mil expiring), Jerebko, Bynum (resigned) or future 1st.
Out: Okafor, Posey, Collison

PS. I must say I am pretty impressed by the amount of responses you guys give on these threads. I wouldnt even dream of seeing 35 responses for a single thread on the message board I frequent for the Pistons

Absolutely. That trade fixes things for us and fixes things for you. We get a new capable CP backup and use #11 to draft a pivot man. Done.
06-03-2010, 06:43 AM
number2pick

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolagoblue

Do you really think that Detroit will take on that kind of money? Yall already have Gordon, Charlie V and Rip on bad contracts, Okafor would just add to it.

It depends on how available Okafor, cuz trust me, we can use a player like him. This team's identity used to be about defense and hardwork and he would fit the bill. And its obvious Stuckey is not a true point guard so this trade would be killing two very large birds with one stone.
Hopefully Rip can get moved this offseason to clear cap space cuz Im sure this team would much rather have a bad contract in a position of need than of one that were clogged in. Thanks for your responses guys
06-03-2010, 07:45 AM
juju99

I would do that deal but I doubt Detroit touches it. I dont think fans of other teams realize how bad Okafor is because Cs typically get overrated by fans but Im certain GM's know what a bad deal Okafor and Posey. And since Pistons are for sale, it doesnt make sense for them to take on both of these negative value players. Ofcourse if their GM is just stupid then.... But I would do the deal with no hesitation.