I was scrolling down the comments for the latest Hornets247 post, and Michael McNamara proposed an interesting question. I wanted to know what you guys think.
Basically he bought up a possible trade with Golden State:
Ariza and #10 for Richard Jefferson, #7 and either #30 or #35.
Now, say the draft goes like this:
1. Davis
2. MKG
3. Beal
4. Barnes
5. Henson
6. Lillard
7. ?????
Question: "At 7, you have Robinson and Drummond sitting there. Do you trade up, and if so, which one do you take?"
What do you guys think of his scenario? Would you make this trade, and which player would you take?
If we trade up to #7.....(What If Scenario)
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06-13-2012, 01:44 AMPelsFan2313If we trade up to #7.....(What If Scenario)
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06-13-2012, 01:45 AMSnarly
If Robinson is there, you take him and laugh all the way to the bank.
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06-13-2012, 01:51 AMPelsFan2313
The thing that stood out to me personally is how Michael had the Kings taking Henson over Robinson. I don't see that happening. Drummond, on the other hand, seems more and more likely to fall to at least 6, if not further.
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06-13-2012, 01:55 AMSnarlyI think they have a similar player in Whiteside. I would be shocked if they passed on both Drummond and Robinson if they were available.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOH2313
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06-13-2012, 01:59 AMHornetGuru
tRob, no questions asked, and if tRob went instead of henson then u take drummond
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06-13-2012, 02:26 AMramsters60we agree on this one! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
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06-13-2012, 02:34 AMNDHornet
Can anyone tell me why Henson is rated so highly on draft boards? Out of all the threads I read on this forum, I've NEVER seen one dedicated to this guy.
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06-13-2012, 03:11 AMjax9190
It is absolutely ludicrous to take Henson at 5 while Robinson is still on the board. Landing him would be an utter robbery. Drummond on the other hand has a good shot of making it to 7, and if he does you have to take him. Has a good chance of being a relative bust, but also has perhaps the highest ceiling in the draft outside of Davis. You have to.
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06-13-2012, 03:28 AMbustah
Lol but Davis and TRob have beef
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06-13-2012, 03:48 AMPerth_Hornet
Robinson will go Top 3.
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06-13-2012, 05:56 AMAlvis
Neither because GS won't make that trade.
And yeah, TRob won't be there at 7 too. You trade up to 7 to take either Drummond or Lillard depending on the Blazers ... but as I said I don't see GS agreeing to that trade anyway. If they do though ... I'm good for it. -
06-13-2012, 06:37 AMjax9190Yeah it's not realistic IMO, especially if you expect them to tack on an extra pick. They save 4 mil over the next couple years and get a slight upgrade in talent, but I get the sense that moving up 3 spots this high in the draft should cost more. Would be great to pull it off though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvis
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06-13-2012, 07:30 AMRaisingTheBar
there is no way robinson falls to 7, i personally think he is the 2nd best player n the draft. cant see him falling past 5.
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06-13-2012, 10:17 AMonpointlikecp3
Even though I really want Drummond, the pick there is T-Rob.
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06-13-2012, 10:41 AMTBlaze
Dude, if that happens... T-Rob and you have the coup of the draft and easily the best draft of the last decade.
And then you fall back w/ DRummond. Absolutely you trade up. -
06-13-2012, 10:59 AMMiss_318
I just don't understand the fascination with Drummond....I mean yeah he has the athletic ability and body but dude has no heart whatsoever from what I watched during the NCAA season. He gives me that Darko Milicic/Michael Olowokandi chill down my spine.......I just cant shake it no matter how much some people try to hype him up. Feel the same way about PJIII too....
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06-13-2012, 11:56 AMrash73
This may sound crazy but what if the Hornets make 2 trades 1st with GS & 2nd with iPortland
NOH trade Ariza & 10th to GS for the 7th and Dorrell Wright. With the 7th pick Hornets take Drummond
GS picks Sullinger with 10th pick
Portland trades 11th pick to NOH for Okafor, Dorrell Wright & Greivis Vasquez. With the pick The Hornets select Austin Rivers.
Hornets end Draft night with Davis, Drummond & Rivers -
06-13-2012, 11:56 AMPelicans78
I wanna keep Ariza now. We need someone to guard Durant.
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06-13-2012, 12:04 PMPelicanFever
you take robinson without a doubt in my mind
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06-13-2012, 12:10 PMgreeweSo you think we will draft Davis, Drummond, and Rivers, shed the salaries of Okafor and Ariza without taking any contracts back, and the only casualty will be Vasquez?Quote:
Originally Posted by rash73
I'll have whatever you're having. It must be strong. -
06-13-2012, 12:17 PMMr. West
I've never come close to seeing Henson jumping to 5. However, Drummond should still be there, so that would be interesting. Trade isn't realistic though so...
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06-13-2012, 12:38 PMDroopyDawgMe either... I asked the question the other day and I got some solid replies, but I'd just have to hope for the best if we take him in the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_318
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06-13-2012, 12:45 PMSilverfoxxUnderrated post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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06-13-2012, 12:51 PMEuphonetiksWhy? It's not like we will actually be competing with the Thunder within the next two years left on Ariza's contract. However I want to keep him because if someone else takes on his contract we probably lose value (trade down some in draft)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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06-13-2012, 01:28 PMnolaslim213I feel like Aminu can be that guy in a year or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
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06-13-2012, 03:23 PMAlvisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
I want to keep Ariza so that Aminu can learn all he has to learn from him to be able to guard Durant/James/Anthony. I want to keep him so that Henry and probably our 10th pick can learn by example perimeter defense. Finally, I want to keep him because he has not played with a scoring 2 since he came here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
By the way, GS never said they were interested in him (actually he is not in the list of players they are officially interested in). -
06-13-2012, 03:42 PMPurple HazeI agree totally. At least 90% of the player that Ariza is with another year.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
As for the OP, you sprint, SPRINT up to the podium with the Robinson pick and hope the dream doesn't end before you get the pick in. :hihi: -
06-13-2012, 03:53 PMnolaslim213Not if it comes at the expense of getting a top-10 pick. If we have a trade for Ariza, Demps will pull the trigger. Monty is the one teaching Aminu how to play - not Ariza. Aminu should develop into a great defender, with or with out Ariza's help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvis
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06-13-2012, 04:50 PMAlvisMonty is the one teaching Aminu how to play that's for sure. That does not mean that he can't learn better by having Ariza on his side especially all those little things about defending great players that you can only learn from doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nolaslim213
And yeah, if we have a good trade for Ariza Demps will pull the trigger for sure. That does not mean we don't have reasons to keep him at least one more year and we should trade him for anything (or that other teams are willing to offer something back that is worth it for us which is actually the thing I doubt the most).
If Gordon stays healthy, he will have a true scorer at his side which will likely help with his shot selection issue and his tendency to try to carry the offense too much (and it will likely make him look better).
As I said before, this team is really young. That's why keeping players like Ariza or Okafor around for at least one more year can help us a lot more than their stats show because we are in a developing phase.
They are not untradable though, but all the question marks on Okafor because of his injury and Ariza's really bad looking offense don't help their sale value for other teams at all.
Jefferson + Lillard/Drummond+#30 is good enough for Ariza and #10. But I don't see any good reasons for GS to do that trade unless they think Ariza >> Dorrell Wright and I doubt that. -
06-13-2012, 05:00 PMnolaslim213Oh, I agree completely. Ariza isn't hamstringing this organization, and his $7 million really isn't killing our cap or anything. If he stays, then he stays, but I think we can get some value for him, and I think Demps will try his darndest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvis
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06-13-2012, 06:22 PMBeeBall Reasons
Personally I would do whatever it takes to move up for Drummond outside of Davis and Gordon.
Demps is good at finding role players so we won't be the (no depth) Lakers.
I'd take bad contracts too because Davis and Drummond will be on rookie deals for a while and will take a while to develop anyway. -
06-13-2012, 06:40 PMPelicans78
Aminu could be that guy, but he's not there yet. Not sure how I changed my mind on Ariza since I've trashed him for two years now, but I guess watching Durant all post season has led me to this conclusion. Ariza did improve last season and he's only signed for two more years. He has little trade value to be honest and with the team now having Davis and Gordon, he will help the Hornets more than crap teams like the Kings or Warriors who aren't going anywhere. Plus, Aminu is still a project and needs a couple of years to develop which will be perfect timing with Ariza's contract expiring.
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06-13-2012, 06:57 PMPelsFan2313Finally someone with some sense ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornets78
Having Ariza on the team is not a bad thing; he doesn't cripple the team. He is only slightly overpaid and continues to be one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA. And as you said, he showed improvement on the offensive end, most notably shot selection. Oh, and he's only 26. Much rather have him than give him away for scraps or better yet amnestying him. Now if we're talking about a Top 10 pick.....that's a different story (depending on who's left or who we're targeting). -
06-13-2012, 07:27 PMGameBreakerAgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by NOH2313