Boston is after Davis big time. Now coming from Wojo not me

You have been warned

https://nesn.com/2018/12/anthony-dav...tar-for-years/

Celtics can't trade for AD until the offseason anyway. If we can't turn this season around, it'll probably be time to move him at that point.

You can’t trade him for a poo poo platter, which is what I think is just a step below what we will receive in exchange.

AD won't be going anywhere until the offseason at the earliest when Boston can bid. The more teams we would have bidding against each other, the better for us. We will end up getting a ransom for AD if we do end up trading him from Boston, LAL, or the Knicks.

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Originally Posted by soggymoss

AD won't be going anywhere until the offseason at the earliest when Boston can bid. The more teams we would have bidding against each other, the better for us. We will end up getting a ransom for AD if we do end up trading him from Boston, LAL, or the Knicks.

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Knicks don't have many assets we'd want, pending the draft this year

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Knicks don't have many assets we'd want, pending the draft this year

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Porzingis +Zion sounds like a nice return

Maybe I'm crazy but if we end up having to trade AD I'm kinda ok with a front court of Niko and Randle.

I'd focus on trying to get a startung guard and sf and a backup center and sf/PF.

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Porzingis +Zion sounds like a nice return

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That's what I'm talking about. Sheeee...I'd want Porzingis, Zion, and another first in a season, and Tim Hardaway.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That's what I'm talking about. Sheeee...I'd want Porzingis, Zion, and another first in a season, and Tim Hardaway.

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Porzingis is a huge step down from AD, so Zion would really have to pan out. If he ended up just being a good player, we would have lost the trade hard.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Porzingis is a huge step down from AD, so Zion would really have to pan out. If he ended up just being a good player, we would have lost the trade hard.

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I mean basically any players we trade for will be a big step down from AD.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Porzingis is a huge step down from AD, so Zion would really have to pan out. If he ended up just being a good player, we would have lost the trade hard.

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We could do far worse than Porzingas and Zion for AD.. Retain Randle and Niko and still be able to "Do it Big" with a Payton, Jrue, Zion, Randle, Porzingas lineup with Frank, Moore, Hill, Niko, Diallo off the bench.. That's not a bad top 10 at all.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Maybe I'm crazy but if we end up having to trade AD I'm kinda ok with a front court of Niko and Randle.

I'd focus on trying to get a startung guard and sf and a backup center and sf/PF.

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Offense would be dope but the rim protection would be abysmal.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I mean basically any players we trade for will be a big step down from AD.

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Weird, paying attention to some people on this board over the last month or so you'd think AD was some scrub who we should be jettisoning as fast as possible.

No way Demps trades AD. He needs to trade for Wall. Say whatever you want about Wall’s contract but if we got Wall most of you would be really excited.


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Niko and a protected 1st for TJ Warren


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

No way Demps trades AD. He needs to trade for Wall. Say whatever you want about Wall’s contract but if we got Wall most of you would be really excited.


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What to send out for him though? And it has to be done before the monster deal kicks in (I think)

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

No way Demps trades AD. He needs to trade for Wall. Say whatever you want about Wall’s contract but if we got Wall most of you would be really excited.


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It feels like the Ariza trade, at least for right now, is going to put the hold on their earlier inclinations to blow it up.

I don't think you make that trade unless you are looking to give the core one last shot.

Now if it doesn't rekindle some 13-15 Wizards era basketball, I think they will be right back in the market in short order.

IMO, Wall is the best option for this team. When motivated, he’s really good. I know everyone loves Jrue but he doesn’t do it for me. Everybody would be on the table except Randle and AD. I would obviously start with guys like Solo, Moore, Peyton etc.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

IMO, Wall is the best option for this team. When motivated, he’s really good. I know everyone loves Jrue but he doesn’t do it for me. Everybody would be on the table except Randle and AD. I would obviously start with guys like Solo, Moore, Peyton etc.

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they are on espn talking about AD will ask to be traded after this season.....and i dont know if john wall is a good move for us..if its true about AD then rich paul also is the agent for john wall and if he is pushing for AD to go join lebron then i would think he wouldnt want wall here long term also....

I don't want wall because if AD forces his way out we are on the hook for a ton of money which kills flexibility.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don't want wall because if AD forces his way out we are on the hook for a ton of money which kills flexibility.

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True, but you would essentially be clearing the rest of the decks so I don't think it would matter a whole lot.

Unless the Benson's try and apply an NFL rebuilding mindset to the NBA again and we don't ship out Jrue and our other win-now assets for building block ones.

No,no,no to John Wall and his absurd contract. You want to hang an albatross around this franchise’s neck for the next four years then that’s a great way to do it....

Chances are any great player that becomes available between now and the trade deadline is going to have issues. Teams don't part with great players on great contracts who are leaders in the locker room. We got Boogie because 90% of the league thought he was a headache. Assuming a great player becomes available (and we have the pieces to pull it off), I doubt we'll have the luxury of being all that picky.


Bottom line: If we do nothing or trade for a guy that's an improvement, but doesn't significantly move the needle, it's a certainty that AD is leaving. If we go all in on Wall (a Rich Paul guy), there's a slim chance that it works, the Pels go on a roll, and AD reconsiders turning down that supermax. Not saying it's the best option, but we're out of time. There is no next season to save this. You either bet big now or hold onto our 1st and start lining up your offers for AD.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

True, but you would essentially be clearing the rest of the decks so I don't think it would matter a whole lot.

Unless the Benson's try and apply an NFL rebuilding mindset to the NBA again and we don't ship out Jrue and our other win-now assets for building block ones.

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I don't want a single player eating up 40% of the cap for multiple years incase Davis wants out. That's just bad, no matter what our strategy going forward is.

Hopefully if AD really is looking to force his way out, Demps already knows that. In that case, he should be holding onto assets rather than trading for overpriced borderline stars or fringe players.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Hopefully if AD really is looking to force his way out, Demps already knows that. In that case, he should be holding onto assets rather than trading for overpriced borderline stars or fringe players.

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I think Davis been clear with him on what his expectations are. The question is, what are they? Would he be happy to make the 2nd round again or is it WCF or bust?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Hopefully if AD really is looking to force his way out, Demps already knows that. In that case, he should be holding onto assets rather than trading for overpriced borderline stars or fringe players.

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I would hope so as well, but I think it's more probable that AD has given them a win now ultimatum. Dell has through the trade deadline to make some magic or AD bolts. Would explain why we were looking to trade for Butler. If it works out, great. If not, too bad.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I think Davis been clear with him on what his expectations are. The question is, what are they? Would he be happy to make the 2nd round again or is it WCF or bust?

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At this rate, he'll probably want out already.

If I had guess he probably told them wcf or a very competitive 2nd round loss to Golden State.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I don't want a single player eating up 40% of the cap for multiple years incase Davis wants out. That's just bad, no matter what our strategy going forward is.

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It's certainly not good, but functionally it wouldn't be a hindrance is my only point.

Gerry V is right, we need to plan accordingly for losing AD, and this might be a move that is too big for Demps.

Get Wall and the team is way way better. Wall is not a borderline star. Wall is an elite point guard who would likely help us go deep in playoffs. We can’t lose AD without going all out. The risk is worth it. Add Wall and a shooter however you have to do it.


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We had Rondo running the offense last year. Do you really think if Wall was pg, instead of Rondo, we wouldn’t have a much better chance against teams like GSW? Y’all keep talking about his albatross contract. Well, if he helped us get to WCF would you still complain? We have to keep AD. It’s worth the risk. Especially if we get a player as dominant as Wall. Watch, I bet Demps goes for it.


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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Get Wall and the team is way way better. Wall is not a borderline star. Wall is an elite point guard who would likely help us go deep in playoffs. We can’t lose AD without going all out. The risk is worth it. Add Wall and a shooter however you have to do it.


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He is a borderline star with bad knees and a bad attitude. He likes to stand around rather than move. He has a contract that will pay him over $171 million the next 4 years.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Get Wall and the team is way way better. Wall is not a borderline star. Wall is an elite point guard who would likely help us go deep in playoffs. We can’t lose AD without going all out. The risk is worth it. Add Wall and a shooter however you have to do it.


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Wall has easily a better team he is currently on, plays in the lEastern conference, and still can't go on a deep run in the playoffs.

He also is an iso player that doesn't work in a heavy passing offense.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Wall has easily a better team he is currently on, plays in the lEastern conference, and still can't go on a deep run in the playoffs.

He also is an iso player that doesn't work in a heavy passing offense.

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On the other hand...we've never seen him in such an offense. Who is to say he would play the same on a different team with different players?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Wall has easily a better team he is currently on, plays in the lEastern conference, and still can't go on a deep run in the playoffs.

He also is an iso player that doesn't work in a heavy passing offense.

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He also has never played with a big like AD.
ISO isn't bad when the playoffs come.
Him and AD in the pick and roll would be unstoppable.

I don't think it's about wanting John Wall as much as it's about 1) which players are available that are true difference makers at a position of need, and 2) can we outbid the other interested teams? To date, Wall is the best option I've seen. Add in that he's a Rich Paul client and former Wildcat, and you hope that's enough to sway AD if we go on a run. If not, might as well start looking into trading AD now, tanking the rest of the year, and hoping for a high number one pick.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

He also has never played with a big like AD.
ISO isn't bad when the playoffs come.
Him and AD in the pick and roll would be unstoppable.

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It’s true. They would leave opponents with broken ankles, and broken necks.

On the other hand they would only play about 65 combined games during the season due to their inability to stay healthy.

I can see both sides of trading for Wall. It really would depend on AD giving some indication that trading for Wall would have him highly consider staying here. Sure the contract is massive, but if Wall's skillset maximizes the role of AD and Jrue. It's been shown this team, and especially Jrue, is at their best with high level Point Guard play. So getting a top 5 one seems like the one position worth overpaying for.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It’s true. They would leave opponents with broken ankles, and broken necks.

On the other hand they would only play about 65 combined games during the season due to their inability to stay healthy.

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Facts. AD has to be held accountable for his lack of durability

Y’all know Wall is the answer to this. We gotta take a risk. Wall would make the team way better. Don’t care about his bad attitude one bit. I like players that lose their cool. Butler, Boogie, Rondo, Garnett, Beal, Draymond.


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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Hopefully if AD really is looking to force his way out, Demps already knows that. In that case, he should be holding onto assets rather than trading for overpriced borderline stars or fringe players.

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Yes, THIS. I absolutely believe that AD/Gentry & Demps already know what all of the contingencies are . Even if AD wants to leave, I believe AD, Dell & Gentry will try and work together for a "BEST that can be expected" outcome.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Yes, THIS. I absolutely believe that AD/Gentry & Demps already know what all of the contingencies are . Even if AD wants to leave, I believe AD, Dell & Gentry will try and work together for a "BEST that can be expected" outcome.

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imo if he do leave,,he owe us that much to keep his mouth shut on teams he would like to be traded to so we can get the best offer from any team...and rich paul need to stop leaking all of this out about pleasing lebron to help him win in LA..

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Facts. AD has to be held accountable for his lack of durability

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What does that even mean? Held accountable for landing on someone's ankle for the berjillionth time? Covering for his teammates and hurting himself diving into the stands or something? What would that even entail? Going to him while he's with the trainers and yelling at him?