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how many of us are officially writing off the Saints as of today.
I'm done. I barely watched the game today. Every time I left the room, something good happened for them. Every time I came back, they screwed something up. So, I tried to not watch the end, no joy. I may be done watching for the season.
Any diehards left?
I think I'll watch the rest of the games because I'm a diehard but with a couple more performances like that I'm not tooo sure... :hot:
This game was pathetic. You had a Carolina team that was struggling and ripe for a beating and the Saints couldn't finish them off. One thing they need to do immediately is replace Mare - he's just pathetic.
When does Scobee come back for the Jags? Carney will be available. As bad as many of us wanted him gone, me included, he's head and shoulders above this Mare chump.
Carr has got to go. The Panthers were STUPID for bringing this loser in. I'm hoping Jake will come back and our lousy secondary will keep every opposing QB from passing for 400 yards. It was a good game, though. The Saints had a good game offensively.
Did you mean defensively? Our offense couldn't do **** in the 4th quarter to put you guys away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie1952
The Saints put up a lot of yards against us and controlled the ball pretty well, I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
We should have scored touchdowns on all of those long drives though, we either came away with a field goal or nothing.
the offense consistently kept getting to the goaline but just couldnt punch it in
Devery Henderson can go suck an egg. He dropped what would have been a first down on one drive in the 3rd or 4th, and then we had to punt. Then I looked in amazement as he dropped a 30-yard pass that resulted in a pick.
And don't forget the screen play that would have scored Aaron Stecker. How did Jammal Brown commit a holding penalty on the weak side of a WR Quick Screen?? They kicked the field goal instead. Total bull. I don't know what to say about this team.
Other than the fact they could go 0 and 16, neither do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by djpaul89
I'll still watch...but I got a brown bag from Dorignac's at the ready...
And they won't go 0 and 16. They still gotta play atlanta and philly and chicago (and they're just as awful as we are).
No bags for me. I'm not delusional...I realize the season is toast. But I'm a Saints fan. I'll be there when they play at home, and I'll watch when they are away (unfortunately, through circumstances beyond my control, I can't say that about all of our professional teams). I'm pissed off and very disappointed. But I'm not done. I've been on this roller coaster many times before.
Not unless good means terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie1952
He wasn't flagged for holding. It was an illegal procedure call - they said he was too far off the line. Even the FOX broadcast team (Myers & Baldinger) said it was a bogus call.Quote:
Originally Posted by djpaul89
Brees isn't playing all that well either. He's simply either been erratic on a few throws or he is forcing too many things.
Watching today's game was like watching a Jim Haslett team: Drops, Penalties, Turnovers, Erratic QB play, etc etc.
It was sad. I was amazed at how the Saints were playing so bad against a Carolina team GIVING us the game. About some time in the 3rd quarter I realized that even if we were to win, the Saints were simply a bad team.
It's crazy, I don't know how we got so bad so easily. But I do know one thing, Sean P had better had learned his lesson and not sit on his hands in the offseason. All these "role players" we signed because our team was "good enough as it was" are doing NOTHING! Kevin Kevisharn (sp), Simmons, Mare, and then there's the drafting of a WR who isn't contributing at all because "we were good enough to not have to draft for need".
Well if the team continues this kind of play with Payton next year you can bet he won't be fired right away. That playoff win probably bought Payton five more years as HC with Benson.
Ahh, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by say-what
Mare and Henderson have to go. See what Meachem has, as he needs to learn sometime. Carney may not be available for another 3 weeks (unless Scobee is ahead of schedule).
They can do that all day, but if they can't score it's useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie1952
I'll be watching, but I paid $154 for Sunday Ticket this year (thank God DTV gave me a discount), but it is a real bummer to finish the weekends off with this team. I feel like a bi-polar football fan. LSU is #1 in college, but the Saints are the worst in the NFL. :idoh:Quote:
Originally Posted by stickman
So I'll watch where I can, but if I am on the road and miss a game, no sweat. I'll be at the game in SF on 10/28. I am thinking about wearing a bag! :hihi:
It was a terrible game. Both teams sucked and neither team will do anything this year. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie1952
This team is done. Finished. They have so many holes that it will take at least two years of good solid additions for them to get any better. Before this year I would have said they will do what's needed, but the off-season aquisitions have been as bad this year as they were good the year before, and I don't think they can do it without a change in mind set.
Make some trades and pick up some draft picks. Right now, we're worse than we've been in a long time. My prediction for the year......4-12.
Bench Henderson!!!!
That's probably generous because that has them finishing 4-8 the rest of the way. I don't see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defuz
After their terrible loss to Tampa in week 2 I started to predict 4-12. Die-hard fans then started harrassing the heck out of me calling me negative. Now, as you say, 4-8 for the rest of the season would be an improvement. Those same fans are completely silent and I'll be happy, no, ecstatic, with 4 wins from this team the way they're playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by WCH
Actually, I have the Saints at 0-16. And that is not to be negative. As soon as the Saints show me that they can turn things around, I'll stop predicting such a perfect season for them. Right now, this team can't beat anyone. Maybe the Dolphins, who are 0-5. A friend of mine said that the Saints are at the bottom in each of 6 important league categories. That tells me that this team is, in fact, the worst in the NFL.
In pro sports the ole saying goes like this . "It is what it is " nothing less nothing more.....this isn't a good football team.You can pick out several areas of play. Bush is more hype vs substance till he does something....need run blocking off linemen...how they ignored the DEF in the draft when you can't pass rush like you want so as not to expose the secondary....special teams etc...its a vey fragile sideline as well.the expressions are those of guys getting ready to be walked to the firing squad....lots of anxiety...
i'm watching running backs every weekend that run harder and have that straight ahead burst....cut with all the hype and make Bush a reciever + slot guy.......they need another RB..... and oh year the QB play is ?..well ..it is what it is not very good........GV
I agree that we aren't a good football team, but I don't understand why you are ripping Bush in this post. Did you watch the game? The guy was our entire offense yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerryv
He didn't "dance" too much and he ran hard. He was a freaking 1st down machine against the Panthers, going up the gut on several 3rd and shorts and laying out to convert some 3rd and longs.
If you don't like Bush because of the hype, that's fine. It's also not Bush's fault the hype is there, it's the media's. Is he supposed to refuse endorsement money? If you watched the game, then you saw the Saints ride a very determined Reggie Bush down the field several times.
Out of all the people who played horribly yesterday, some people want to single out Bush, our best offensive player (in that game). Unless you didn't see the game, then I don't get it.
Stickman,I have written off the saints.I do have season tickets I will be there the rest of the way.I am a diehard, I love the saints.This is very painful for me.I just can't wait for the hornets season to get under way.Thank God for them Tigers. :bah:
Gerry seems to have a beef with Reggie for some reason. Find me one RB that can run behind that line. Reggie is FAR from being the problem with this team.
It really is Aaron Brooks' fault! :)
Reggie was sold as a game-breaker. He hasn't been doing that this year. Maybe that is Gerry's frame of mind.
The TP ran a poll yesterday on the Saints' game MVP. I went with Reggie. He had a ton of touches. No one else was really doing anything. He did the best he could given the circumstances. The only criticism I MIGHT level at Reggie is that it seems like he likes to avoid getting hit wherever possible.
I realize that reggie has not been the game breaker. Honestly though, it is almost like 1 against 11 out there. I cannot believe how poorly the line has played (not to mention the terrible play calling).Quote:
Originally Posted by WCH
Reggie's a good player. On many teams he'd be THE player. Come to think of it, he is almost that with the Saints as there's not much else worth talking of out there on any given Sunday. He was by far the greatest, in terms of volume, part of the offense yesterday.
Considering the amount he touches on the ball, avoiding bruising hits in order to fight for another down isn't chicken, it's smart. We've already lost Deuce for the season, and we can't afford to lose Reggie too. When he had to, he dove, stretched and put his head down for the first down. He's also a leader of this team and shows that he's dedicated to giving it his all.
The real problem is, the O-line won't/can't create holes for him and our WRs, save one of them, are so weak that the opposition can concentrate their efforts on Reggie. That's not Reggie's fault, it's his fate.
Brees is scrambling all over and trying to throw so quickly as he's got little or no protection in the pocket. Problem is, the weakest WRs in the entire league by far are rarely open. They don't have the time to go deep or get open. Let's not mention Henderson (Featherstone) and his drops.
Bottom line is that the Saints are a bad team with a few good players, of which Reggie is one. He can't do it all, which is sad as others aren't doing anything.
yo loco and hornetsfan.....the beef is when the going was rough he wouldn't give time to local media and leave the locker room....the beef is righ tnow he is over rated....the beef is i've seen rb's in the league that can duplicate what he can do.....the beef is right now he is over rated......the line is over rated.....play ahs been horrible......until i see a player that can handle the media and take it like a pro ( and i've covered pro guys for a long long time i'm not buyin into the hype yet...yeah he has talent and speed but finding a hard running back doesn't seem to be that rough of a deal.......beef ??? i believe what is see and observe......the defense has so many needs......i'm just not sold on bush yet.........GV
I never said anything about a "beef" and I wouldn't know about his dealings with the media. I understand why that's important to you, but I am speaking about him soley as a player on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerryv
Call him over-rated all you want, he was our best player against Carolina. He had nothing to work with (nobody else played well) but still put up like 130 yards. Anyone who watched the game saw Reggie laying out for several tough 1st downs. You could also see that the Saints rode down the field several times riding on Reggie's back.
Against Carolina he played tough, he played determined and he played well. All of that was incredibly obvious. He also gave himself an "F", which shows that he is holding himself accountable for what was mostly the fault of those around him. To me, that shows a guy with the will to win and the will to be a leader.
At this point in time, I really can't understand calling him out or saying he's one of the problems. That's all.
ii am not buyin into the emotional blah blah ! i want solid evidence that my eyes tell me.i've noticed that lots of saints fans "reach " for resons and tnhings to hang on to.
this team is a mirage right now....my lines are loaded ! its bush...the line ..the def line...the sec....coaching.....saints lead the legue in drops...henderson yikes !
when i see a total team effort and when i see bush conduct himself the way he is supposed to i may give a lil...until then...no way do i change my mind....
the " how many backs could run behind that line?".....nonsense excuse making garbage !....this team has flopped.....guy with a bad groin is asked to kick a fieldgoal from 50 +....come on guys !..the days of the soft hearts and clinging to last years memories is "hollywood" stuff......they need to get their butts in gear and playfootball.
oh and another thing..the "DIEHARD" is a high school line.you're either a fan or yo are not.you stick with your team ( go yankees) while at the sametime you take the heat that comes along with it ! any questions ?
lets do some phones !!
GV
I don't buy it. I could care less if he does not give you an interview. He is playing hard and is FAR from the problem with this team. You yourself have said many times that a great RB cannot run behind a terrible line. Be consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerryv
The reason for us doing bad is coaching henderson and oline.
Its the oline because brees has no time in the pocket and no holes for bush to run through.
The coaching because we arent blitzing at all thats why we have 1 sack and also its placalling on offense.
Henderson doesnt no how to catch a ball he gave the game away by giving an interception to carolina which resulted in them tying it.