AP source: Martell Webster and Perry Jones have agreed to terms with #Pelicans on non-guaranteed deals. They have to make the team in camp.
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AP source: Martell Webster and Perry Jones have agreed to terms with #Pelicans on non-guaranteed deals. They have to make the team in camp.
Nice. Not a bad pickup
Wow
I guess we'd have to cute Crawford if he impressed enough to keep around
Odds of him making a comeback at 32 or whatever are not high, but camp deals are squarely "why not?"
The ONLY concern about inviting random washed out SFs to camp is if Dell decides to roll the dice on one of them being "the guy" to hold down the position rather than just using the rest of his limited money to sign a proven current NBAer.
Only 15 players can go into season.
The chance that Webster will be better than Grits is very small.
Assuming signing Dante/SF for a guaranteed deal soon
He's just a training camp body. If he ends up being anything else I'll be both shocked and distraught.
Silly to compare Crawford to AD as far as security. The comment likely comes from him being the only non-guaranteed contract. I think he stays with the team, but if they sign another player to the active roster for the start of the season, Crawford is most likely to go.
Perry Jones is intriguing if he's really serious about his craft now. Lots of talent...but yeah. He's a long shot. But he's the one I want to make the team the most.
PJ3 is definitely an interesting prospect to watch during training camp. He's 6'11" with a handle and jumper. He could be worth keeping.
As Pelicansfan mentioned - my comment was made because Grits' contract is only one not guaranteed and I don't see anyone who may be moved.
Of course You can move Ajinca with first, but nobody is going to do it...
MM mentioned this on twitter, TWolves writer also pointed to this
With Wolves 6 days from opening camp in SD, they expect to get a decision from free agent Dante Cunningham in next 24-48 hours, I'm told
— Jerry Zgoda (@JerryZgoda) September 17th 2017
I would be surprised if either Jones or Webster made the final roster.
I see your hyperbole. And I raise it with super hyperbole.
But yeah. Why not. We'll see how it goes.
It is ridiculous that Cunningham is dragging this out like he is. The Pelicans organization gave him the opportunity when his career was basically over and no team wanted to touch him. The Pelicans also apparently are offering him more than any other team. While I would really like him back with the Pelicans, if that is not enough for him to want to be here, the Pelicans may need to just move on.
LMAO why is this even a thread ? These guys are just camp bodies. They haven't played in 2 years. And Cunningham needs to swallow his pride or YEET
It's not silly at all and it doesn't matter that his contract is guaranteed or not. You will not find a better 6th man at that cheap of a price. Finding him was beyond a coup for something this team desperately needs.
It would have to take acquiring someone of a caliber not on the current radar for Crawford to be moved. In other words, slim and none.
When has Demps not been the one to blink first outside of Norris Cole? I guess they kind of stood firm with Holiday as that could have been worse and included an overpay for his brother. But if I was an agent I'd test Demps too.
As long as Plan A and Plan B are both on the table for both parties, why should either party choose Plan B if they think there's a chance of Plan A happening? With Training Camp approaching both Plan A and B won't stay on the table for much longer, but until then we're just waiting to see who blinks first.Quote:
if that is not enough for him to want to be here, the Pelicans may need to just move on.
Crawford is not a 6th man. He played very well last year in a very limited sample size. I really hope he continues as he most certainly would be considered a valuable find and contributor. However, in no way would I ever compare him (or anyone on this team) to AD as far as security on this team. Simply because of his non-guaranteed contract (not his contribution), he has the least security.
If Crawford isn't the sixth man then who is? He plays the Eric Gordon role here and played it extremely well. His contract isn't guaranteed simply as a cost saving measure.
His services were and are extremely needed. He is a bonified producer. This downplaying of his role just because his current contract isn't guaranteed is just outright bizarre. As are many comments on this board.
Brandon Rush signing with the Bucks:
Congrats to our guy @BRush_25 on signing w the @Bucks so excited for this opportunity for you! Let's have a great year! #FeartheDeer
— Priority Sports (@PrioritySports) September 18, 2017
Moore and Cunningham were closer to that 6th man role last year. I would still think Moore would play that role this year, but maybe Crawford gets more opportunities. Crawford only played 19 games, so he is far from entrenched in the rotation, but if he plays like he did last year, I would think he may earn more time. No one is downplaying his role because his contract is not guaranteed. It is simple logic that the players with the non-guaranteed contracts are not as secure as one of the top 5-8 players in the entire NBA. If there were ever a bizarre comment, that one was it.
Crawford has the classic 6th man build -- gunning combo guard off the bench -- far more than any other Pelican. Moore and Cunningham are low level roleplayers, no explosiveness at all. The classic 6th man can come in and spark you by putting up points in bunches, preferably points he creates himself. That's always been the spot on description of Crawford.
Where did this weird idea that Crawford is better than Moore or Cunningham come from lmao
The last 5 NBA Sixth Man of the Year winners have been:
12-13 -- J.R. Smith
13-14 -- Jamal Crawford
14-15 -- Lou Williams
15-16 -- Jamal Crawford
16-17 -- Eric Gordon
Now which Pelican's game most resembles those guys? It's certainly not Moore or Cunningham. By the numbers:
'13 J.RSmith - 18.1pts 5.3reb 2.7ast .522TS% 17.6PER with 5.5 3ptAtt
'14 Crawford - 18.6pts 2.3reb 2.2ast .556TS% 17.3PER with 6.5 3ptAtt
'15 Williams -- 15.5pts 1.9reb 2.1ast .564TS% 19.9PER with 5.6 3ptAtt
'16 Crawford - 14.2pts 1.8reb 2.3ast .529TS% 14.0PER with 4.4 3ptAtt
'17 EGordon -- 16.2pts 2.7reb 2.5ast .557TS% 13.2PER with 8.8 3ptAtt
'17 Crawford - 14.1pts 1.8reb 3.0ast .582TS% 17.6PER with 5.0 3ptAtt
Arguing different things: a PR specialty.
You're not going to convince the other about whether Crawford is a 6th man unless you can agree on the definition of what constitutes a 6th man.
Ennis led my home town team the Wildcats to a championship win in 2014 so imma say yes :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Ekxfz83O0
Also says, "If Dante doesn't come back, we got 2-3 guys on speed dial. We will add one more"
— Pelicans Podcaster (@SilverAndMac) 13 September 2017
Won't say who
I will check Players Tribune to find out what his DECISION is...
I dont care how much he will get. Of course not to hardcap us...
But Dell. Dont offer him player option/fully guaranteed second year...
Just dont.
Still dont know why it takes so long.
Dont interested in our offer - just walk.
last one. Although the fact you had to ask kinda goes to the point -- his game has always very much resembled those guys. It's not even being about being "better" or "worse" than other guys playing different roles, it's just about filling the requirements of that scoring pop 6th man role.
I do not know if we will need him or no.
But this year showed us that with even a little room and talented roster you may find good additions to your team.
Also with DMC FA - we will need any space.
I am an optimist for this season, but ICE it will be good to have as much room as possible.
I dont know why he has not decided yet.
But if it was going to be Minny's minimum - he would have already signed there...
Last night there was an information that Thibs went hard after Bogut. He wanted to add him to already crowded frontcourt. If I was Dante I won't like it.
Also his agent does not have priced clients. He might have prefeered bigger Pelicans money...
It's not arguing different things. Somebody had the odd notion that resigning Dante would lead to this Webster vs Crawford duel for a roster spot. It won't.
Barring some extremely extremely odd circumstance, Jordan Crawford will be on this squad next year no matter what happens with Dante.
I certainly would expect Crawford to beat out Webster. My only disagreement is that Crawford's spot on the team is as secure as ADs. If someone came available that Dell could not do with out, unless he could dump Asik or Ajinca, Crawford would be the most likely to lose his spot.
If we miss out on DC, all my eggs go in are in the Ennis or Green basket
It would be such a Dell thing to do to trade a 1st for him lol
When arriving at a new board it always takes some time to understand that fanbase's particular player fetishes. Guys like Moore or Cunningham, which appear to be rampant mediocrities to me, seem to have established fans here. And now James Ennis...I doubt there is another NBA fanbase in America that would even think twice about him except as some random roleplayer. Yet here I again learn something, and following what seemed like an odd person to fetishize, I checked out his bball-reference stats and saw that he turned in a splashy seemingly totally out of character 9 game stint for you at the end of last season where he poured in 16 points a game. And now another one of these little fanbase quirks makes sense. You've seen a totally different Ennis than the rest of the league has.