go look um up. last year we finished 16th in rebounding.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statis...ue&season=2008
we probably were not ranked any better than 16th this season. go and pull up the stats for how we were ranked this year.
go look um up. last year we finished 16th in rebounding.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statis...ue&season=2008
we probably were not ranked any better than 16th this season. go and pull up the stats for how we were ranked this year.
And Peja, Posey, and Mo aren't worth their contracts either. TC's isn't that bad for a 26 year old center who's been among the league's leading rebounders. Centers are paid higher than most players and this was true with TC.
I kind of like the trade. First off, I love Wilcox. He will bring something this team just straight up did not have.
He is a month older than Chandler, so we didn't get younger or older. He will most likely be our starting C. He is a better scorer than Tyson, and I think he could match or outproduce his rebounding. Maybe.
Joe Smith. The vet, I think people are underestimating him. I think he will come in and be a good reserve for these final games. He is averaging 7 points and 5 boards a game in 19 minutes.
The key is that neither of these guys may be back next season. That is what gets at me.
but $10 mil, can get depth and better production for that price.
So you support going form mediocre to awful? It's really a shame that this trade is being defended, New Orleans will never hold its teams to a higher standard.Quote:
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Also, OKC has 5 1st round picks, that's right 5. How the hell did we not aquire one?
You won't hear me say that he was worth the money. But to belittle what he did and his impact is uncalled for. He played a crucial role in our success last season. To say Chandler had no effect in the team's success is ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
wilcox avg. 22 min a game 9.5 pts, and 5.4 rebs a game without cp3. look forward to even better numbers now that he will get the lions share of minuits, he is in a contract year, and he is playing with a better cast than ever.
That's great and all but did you consider the pace difference and the type of offense he was in compared to the one he's in now?Quote:
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Originally Posted by NIH
No, I am just calling you out on your bogus claim that we were a great rebounding team with tc. Fact proves we were not even middle of the pac. drop the unbased claims.
I don't know why we couldn't land a pick. That upsets me as well.
We're not saying Wilcox won't be a good player for us, UNO. The problem is we aquired no picks from OKC, and we will most likely lose both of these guys in the offseason. The remant of this trade will be Devon Hardon.
Can you point to where I said this was a great rebounding team?Quote:
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Not me! 1.4 blocks per game doesn't really scare the crap out of guys coming to the basket. There were NUMEROUS times guys would get layups, and TC would be just standing there watching. I'll bet Camby wouldn't stand there and watch... neither would Wilcox...
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Yeah, I even posted it. He is coming into an organization with better players, better coaching, and more chances to excell.
What's a shame is short-sightedness. Or settling for mediocre instead of making a painful move now for better options later. Sounds like your "higher standard" is the glorious satisfactions of an immediate second round exit rather than an eventual NBA championship.Quote:
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But rest assured, the league wants to see CP3 in the finals, and they want him to do it in New Orleans. They push him more than almost any other player in the league. They already have the press releases diagrammed for how they supported New Orleans after Katrina and such and such...
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like this?
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Last time I saw we held some players rights we landed the guy in your avater.
NIH ... calm down a bit, or you're getting a heart attack :).
On the surface, this an absolute punch to the gut of the New Orleans Hornets fanbase. We trade away our only seven-footer, the only guy on the roster who could lock up the Tim Duncans or Pau Gasols. We traded away Chris Paul's friend, half of "The Crescent City Connection." From the average fan's standpoint, this trade hurts.
It's not that I don't like the players we get in return. Both are capable big men that offer things Tyson did not. But both are free agents at the end of the season. So what good, on the court, does this serve for this basketball team this year or next? Not much. That's why this pill is so tough to swallow, even if from a financial standpoint it helps the franchise.
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These are my concerns. Although, I don't think CP will be too disgruntled if they make a move for a big man in the offseason.
The hornets are a smart team. people want to bash on the front office and bs as much as they want but remember the work they did to get from 4 years ago to now.
You said all of that but the fact remains. If you're in the playoffs you're contending for a title. I've seen teams that were 1st record-wise in their respective conference and take a first round exit. Why? Because anything can happen once teams 1-8 are playing for that ring. Now if the Hornets take a nose dive in the standings because of this trade then I will look back at this trade and question it. But until then, you can't sit there and say the Hornets (when playing good team basketball) can't get to the NBA Finals. They have just as many good players as some of the other Wester Conference teams. Not to mention, this gives Scott and the FO some time to evaluate the big men we do have here and see which guys we wanna offer money to in the offseason. At least we have depth at the 4 and 5 positions like we wanted.Quote:
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Short sightedness? Jeff Bower is ALL about the short term. This is why we've been stuck with Peja, Mo, and Posey's huge contracts.Quote:
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Also, do you know this move is for Shinn to simply get under the salary cap? We still don't nearly have enough cash to make any big signings.
As for that last paragraph, just wow. lol
Wilcox use to be real good actually - now he's not so good. :( Pretty bad trade. I have never even heard of Joe Smith? Overall, bad trade.
They drafted CP3.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
That's why I'm not as upset about this trade as I was about 3 hours ago. Once I thought about it, I'm gonna give the FO the chance to redeem themselves and see what moves they make before these Hornets step onto the court for the 2009-2010 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
You seem to be the person on this board I tend to agree with the most. Where was this a year ago? All this hate towards Tyson. The man helped us get in as the second seed. To be a competitor in the West you need production out of a big man. That's just how it works.Quote:
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Big man in the playoffs per team:
Lakers: Bynum ( this is assuming of course he gets healthy)
Spurs: Bonner ( This may be the only one I'd take Wilcox over... but that doesn't even matter because their depth is unreal...and they know how to play good team basketball.
Nuggets: Nene
Portland: Oden...numbers might not whoo you but he's a good 10-10 guy for now.
Houston: Yao
Us: Wilcox
Dallas: Dampier...
Utah: Okur
Yeah...I'd rather have my chances with Chandler.
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3 other gm's did not.
A 0.4 bpg as a career average, never averaged more than 0.6 bpg even when he played more than 30 mpg. The guy is nowhere near an intimidating shotblocker, and not considered a good defender. He is not completely useless but far from Chandler level.Quote:
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Half that list owns Chandler. Yao, Okur, Bynum, even Nene.Quote:
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Bower didn't even draft CP3, that was Allen Bristow.
I am waiting for the next knee jerk reaction from fans when we make another move towards being cap friendly.
Yeah...you're right they do. But they own and have their name posterized on Willcox's ***.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
this isn't a knee jerk reaction, people will be most angry in hte offseason when the only player left from this trade is devon hardon. oh, and shinn won't pay the luxury tax. :cheers:
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You said it not me.
They also signed key guys to that team, made trades for key guys, etc. They have built a solid team, why would they quit now?
No. You're not following. The Thunder's pacing is much faster than ours. We're one of the slowest paced team in the NBA. It means less opportunity to score. Also consider the fact that He'll be the 4th option on the team after West, Peja, and Paul. It will limit him offensively. More weapons/slow pacing = less opportunities.Quote:
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As for rebounding, Chandler was top 3 in rebounding 3 years prior to his down year. To put the team's average rebounding numbers against chandler is unfair because he's a big reason why our rebounding numbers have been decent the past couple of years.
You're kidding yourself if you think any of these guys are going to step right in and start producing. I'm certain Wilcox will not start for a least five games. And how long will it take for either of them to adjust to what we do? About 10 games?Quote:
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so what is the difference? both get owned.
your more concerned with the cap instead of winning though. i understand the move from a financial standpoint, but i from a basketball standpoint, how does this help us win a championship?
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dude the lux tax will cripple our franchise unlike money franchises like NY, LA, and teams with rich owners.
Agreed. With that quikness CP3 needs to be going faster and tell people like West to hurry their butt off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
Allen Bristow did draft him, dude. Maybe you should brush up on your Hornets history. :hihi:Quote:
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The Mavs Reporters like the trade :p
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...mavericks.html
ESPN.com's Marc Stein reports that the Hornets and Thunder are close to a deal that would send center Tyson Chandler to Oklahoma City.
It's a cost-cutting move for New Orleans. The Hornets receive the expiring contracts of forwards Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith and the rights to second-round pick Devon Hardin.
In other words, one of the teams fighting for West playoff position with the Mavs is about to become a lot weaker.
Oh man! It sucks that Chandler is gone! Wilcox seems like a guy who only plays basketball because he is tall and it's good money. I hope that I am wrong....
I am said for Tyson...
that's the only benefit from this trade, the only benefit. that can't be disputed. unless devon hardon plays for us. :hihi:Quote:
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and tyson was helping with his injury how?
It will be a nice change of pace to see avg. center play on a consistent basis, as opposed to when he is not injured.
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go look, your the one that brought up cp3. you should brush up on last 10 min history.
So their glad that they did a bad trade? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by say-what
All of yall saying this was a cap trade to get under the luxury tax. That isnt true all you are doing is taking what cbs said and running with it. If we wanted to do a trade to get under the luxury tax, we could have done it in th offseason also. Either they think chandler has worse problems then they thought with his knees and legs or they think we will be better off with depth than just chandler.