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Originally Posted by Super Dad
TC was their friend... them being ticked off had nothing to do with basketball. Of course they say that to the media because you don't throw your teammate under the bus, but don't believe they'll miss him on the court.
so how do we get under the lux tax?
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Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
What are you talking about? I agree with you Tysons injury sounds serious and could be devastating for this franchise. Tyson is now untradeable. We now have 4 untradeable players that no other team wants: Peja, Mo, Posey, and Tyson, plus Antonio Daniels who it would be impossible to get an expiring contract for.
That means the only asset we have that's tradeable that would help this team dump payroll is David West.
...that the Hornets aren't selling out the fans, or "cheaping out".
They were concerned about shelling out 12 mil a year to a player who may well be damaged goods. It wasn't about New Orleans as a viable city, like the national media morons have taken and run with.
Amazingly, Bower told the truth. It was about basketball all along.
I hope he comes back here and can play through his problem. We are a much better team with an 100% Tyson Chandler than we are with a Chris Wilcox. We just have to hope that TC can regain his level of play.
His injury has to be severe for him to fail a physical, they were ecstatic about aquiring him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKM
They can move Mo Pete, they just have to add Julian to the trade. They should try and make it happen, since Julian is not playing much for us.
Exhibit A of when a poster has run out of valuable thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
The same people who were saying the luxury tax would sink us yesterday now believe it's not a big deal. :idoh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiohead311
Interesting article on turf toe. Not sure how old it is as it was just a random google result.Quote:
Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
http://espn.go.com/trainingroom/s/1999/0901/13907.html
Sounds pretty painful, even if it is just the big toe, but the best part of the article: "We can get almost every one of these guys playing -- comfortably and at close to 100 percent -- even though they have an arthritic toe."
Hey guys, Hawks' fan here. I read the board more than I post obviously.
I wanted to comment on the "insurance" issue because I've been researching it with Speedy Claxton sitting on the Hawks' bench in a suit for what seems like forever.
Generally, teams insure the top 5 contracts on their team, meaning that Chandler's contract was almost certain to be insured. You don't have to be retired for the insurance to kick in, but there is one catch:
A player has to miss 1/2 of the season before the insurance payments start coming in. As best as I can tell, you don't get to collect insurance payments if a player misses a few weeks of games here and there.
IOW, the Hornets aren't likely to get much relief in the way of insurance for Chandler...
If shinn really wants to cut payroll like some of you actually believed then he can trade chandler in the offseason. We only made a trade that will help us THIS season.
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Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
You keep calling my posts/assertions silly when they clearly aren't. You're trying to have an ''I told you so attitude'' with me just because you agreed with HH. All the while you're saying Stern will get us in the Finals.
Come on guys - calm down, keep it civil.
That's is exactly what I thought.
I could see if it were a knee but a turf toe come on now.
Unless we are not getting the entire story here.
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Originally Posted by stbviper22
How? Every team stands to gain money if we go over the lux tax.
Just what is your problem? It's one thing to dislike a player, but you bring it to a whole new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKM
You have brought nothing productive to this thread. We all get it now, you don't like Tyson Chandler.
It's like you not only hate Chandler the player though, but you hate Chandler the human being. Chandler has been nothing but a class act since coming to New Orleans, and you act like this failing of the physical is something he orchestrated himself.
This is unfortunate for all parties involved, but I'm sure as professionals, they will all make the best of it.
On a different note, if it's the toe injury incurred during last years playoffs that is the problem it may explain why his play has been down all year, he's played hurt all year. Yet, I never once heard him use the toe as an excuse for his play.
I'm not going to try and convince anyone, because at this point, everyone's mind is already made up, but my 2cents is that Chandler is a gamer who will try to play through pain. The best move may be, however, to sit him for the rest of the year, and get him on a treatment plan that will have him 100% for next year.
camby for a 2nd?
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Originally Posted by JKM
Doubt it. Julian doesn't exactly have a ton of trade value himself he's been glued to the bench, has been publicly called out by his coach. Everyone knows he's not smart enough or doesn't care enough to learn the plays. Plus talented athletic small forwards are a dime a dozen these days.
It's going to take more incentive that getting Julian for a team to take on Mo Petes contract.
About the only way to move Mo Pete would be to take on an equally bad contract like Jamal Tinsley. And that helps no one and doesn;t help the bloated payroll situation.
Mo Pete is untradeable.
[QUOTE=TC6ReboundKing]Just what is your problem? It's one thing to dislike a player, but you bring it to a whole new level.
You have brought nothing productive to this thread. We all get it now, you don't like Tyson Chandler.
It's like you not only hate Chandler the player though, but you hate Chandler the human being. Chandler has been nothing but a class act since coming to New Orleans, and you act like this failing of the physical is something he orchestrated himself.
This is unfortunate for all parties involved, but I'm sure as professionals, they will all make the best of it.
On a different note, if it's the toe injury incurred during last years playoffs that is the problem it may explain why his play has been down all year, he's played hurt all year. Yet, I never once heard him use the toe as an excuse for his play.
I'm not going to try and convince anyone, because at this point, everyone's mind is already made up, but my 2cents is that Chandler is a gamer who will try to play through pain. The best move may be, however, to sit him for the rest of the year, and get him on a treatment plan that will have him 100% for next year.[/QUOTE I do not like him, he is a slacker. now go to bed
Look's like Bower won't be getting any rest tonight. Just because TC failed the Thunder physical doesn't mean he'd fail every team's physical, so we could see another trade tomorrow.
Well I just hope he doesn't come back with a "they don't want me here" attitude and tank his rehab. I hope TC realizes why the front office made the move and things aren't too awkward when he comes back. We'll see pretty quickly...
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Originally Posted by meduplan
wtf is this? :hihi:
poor people in traffic.
Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TC6ReboundKing
We're stuck with this team for one year but will have $14M expiring in 2010 with Daniels, Butler, Wright, and Armstrong. Furthermore, I disagree with your assertion that the Tyson deal was just about dumping payroll. I think it was about his lingering injury and our lack of depth in the frontcourt. The cap space wouldn't have hurt though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiohead311
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Originally Posted by JOE in NO
exactly. this isn't over. not yet at least.
if u think you've seen foul trouble with Hilton - you haven't seen Wilcox, the Dude is a lock to foul out (or sit with 5, big diff?) if he plays 30 minutes
energy - but sloppy. Yao?.. Duncan?.. Dirk.. stoudemire/shaq.. Gasol.. Aldridge/Oden.. Not saying Chandler is lockdown but WHO even begins to MATCHUP with these guys outside of TC?? Armstrong goes into fall trouble - Marks gets embarrassed
Be glad to have Tyson back..
Chris Paul - 46 oops this year... 41 to TC. would hate to miss that
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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
CRESCENT CITY CONNECTION! ITS AWESOME BAAABY!
WTF...is wrong with Chandler??? It has to be more than that mild ankle sprain!! What's next...he's gonna get surgery and be out for the rest of the year??
well and Gooden is now traded
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Originally Posted by stbviper22
Waiting til the offseason wouldn't have helped the luxury tax situation at all. That trade wasn't made to help THIS season it was made to dump Tyson.
maybe this will allow them to play loose and have some fun out there, which it did'nt look like they were doing the first half of the season. It looked like the expectations were putting a lot of added pressure on them. Now that they got their boy back they can loosen up and have some fun and kick everyone's ***
I don't agree. I think Wilcox and Smith (this year) are better than the Tyson Chandler we saw all season.
I think we should blame the bulls for paying him so much.
Anyone else think Bower is gonna make a trade tomorrow?
I would pay to see that footage.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Yes I do. If he does not, I will not be shocked, but I expect Shinn has asked him to see if anyone else may want TC.Quote:
Originally Posted by showstoppa618
will there be a press conference with bower and scott, and awarding tyson his new jersey?
Waiting untill the offseason means Shinn would have to pay the Tax next year becuase whoever they would trade for would be very close to what TC makes and have a contract through next year. If the Hornets don't cut salary (meaning trade for expiring contracts) by tomorrow at 2:00 they are in the luxary tax next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by stbviper22
He sure as heck will be trying, but we do not have too many players that other teams are interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by showstoppa618
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Originally Posted by meduplan
I beat you too it...lol
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Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Yeah that's all nice and good for 2010. But it's widely known around the league that Shinn is focused on cutting the payroll in 2009. Yes it was about dumping Ty and his serious injury but Bowers talk about adding frontcourt depth was BS. Niether Joe Smith or Wilcoxs agents were going to get a phone call from the Hornets at all on July 1st. It was a salary dump plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
I'm not sure how to feel about this..I'm glad TC is there. Luckily the guys he has to work with were not for the trade so I don't see any issues with the locker room but dang... I hope he's OK.. curious who we dump now.. Hopefully we wait until the summer.
That's where we may disagree and for THIS YEAR, I think Wilcox and Smith would have given us a better shot at going deeper into the playoffs that what Tyson had given this year. Furthermore, we wouldn't have had Tyson's cap number in 2010 either, making us fairly big players to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiohead311
TC is untradeable at the moment. He'll be with us the rest of the year, and quite likely, longer.
Why do you want to wait? We need help NOW!! Hilton as starting center is an embarrasment man...we need to make a move now. :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot: :hot:Quote:
Originally Posted by all2neat
Just cam back to the boards....man what is hell? I feel like I'm in the freaking Twilight Zone!!!!!! I was waiting for the just kidding to show up...but it didn't...my favorite Hornet is back. Yeah!!!!!!
Hilton Armstrong and an undersized Chris Wilcox defending Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol in a 7 game series?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Yeah I don't think so.
Not to sound like an idiot guys, but as an OKC fan, I'll tell you straight up that having Tyson Chandler on the bench in a suit is more effective than having Chris Wilcox out on the court. That's how lazy that dude is and he's always been that way. He has to be absolutely pushed to give any real effort, and I have a feeling that he's gonna end up gone either way eventually. We're trying to build for the future and we've got a killer young 3 with Durant, Green, and Westbrook. A guy like Wilcox with his lazy attitude isn't gonna help the cause. Joe Smith is a very professional guy, very classy, a veteran with playoff experience and a leader, he can also still play some ball. I'll admit, I was very excited about the thought of getting Tyson becuz he would have fit great with our youngbloods, but I guess if he's a liability, then there's no reason to spend all that money. I love our new guys, Durant is like a mini Michael Jordan, no B.S.....he's the real deal and only 20 years old, and Jeff Green and Russell "Hustle" Westbrook will both be stars. But damn....I miss CP3 and D West. Byron Scott is also a good, classy coach, it was a pleasure having him coach that team while they were here. Good luck to you guys the rest of the season.