I think we should keep Wilcox. Considering what the market is this summer...be smart Bower...make a good financial decision...don't give him more than 2 years.
I think we should keep Wilcox. Considering what the market is this summer...be smart Bower...make a good financial decision...don't give him more than 2 years.
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Originally Posted by HornetHaven
how are you surprised. this was going to happen. Obviously this isn't a great trade, but if this is the best one offered then so be it. It was going to happen.
So Chandler declines to over 8 boards a game and he is trash. Wilcox has hit that mark maybe once in his career for a season and he is a beast? He also gets manhandled in the post. He is not a good defender. I do think he has potential offensively and would be a real nice backup. If he played decent defense, he would be an adequate starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by truck man
and then at the end of the year we let him go, along with smithQuote:
Originally Posted by truck man
and next year we have no chandler, wilcox, or smith
so do yall think that wilcox will become a better player from being on a better team?
those TC basketballs they gave away at the Bulls game are collectors' items now!
I think many are surprised as it is very rare for a contending team to dump salary at the deadline. They are usually looking to add valuable pieces for a stretch run, not looking to dump their starting center to save salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
He's not on a better team.Quote:
Originally Posted by chubbs91
The Thunder have had a better record than the Hornets of late and I'm pretty sure it will continue for the next 4-5 seasons at least.
I want to know why we couldn't dump Ely on the Thunder in this deal! He and Wilcox look a lot alike actually...
Wilcox is younger than TC, and has never had the luxury of playing on a team of this calaber. Keep dogging the kid.
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Originally Posted by chubbs91
Chandler did, and wilcox is younger.
They are the same age.
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Originally Posted by jegirouard
Scary too.
He is a 1/2 season rental unless he takes a small contract to stay with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
to say the thunder are better the hornets is just obnoxious
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Originally Posted by chubbs91
well thats what a lot of people are trying to be.
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Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
and then we sign and trade him with mopete and get some cap space.
Wrong! They're the same age, Chandler is technically younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
So he's not on a better team??? Yea whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleven79
Don't get it twisted fam, OKC is building a nice young squad but the Hornets have better coaching, mindset, and a better core of players.
Idk what's wrong with people today.
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Originally Posted by Eleven79
Wow... did Tyson matter that much to you? :idoh:
The fact that we have lost lately has nothing to do with us missing the whopping 8 ppg , 8 boards (from a center is pathetic) and 1 block per game that TC brought.
you are delusionalQuote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
we wouldn't save any money that way, which goes agianst the whole point of this deal
yeah i know.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
years in the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
Quoted for the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNETSFAN
lol maybe i'm looking at it the wrong way plus i'm biased for my team but think about it like this. Both players are averging 8 points a game....Wilcox is averaging 3 less rebounds. They're the same exact age. Chandler has the obvious advantage with Paul and other superior players on the court. Wilicox's production will likely go up....plus we get 2 other bigs in the trade. If they play well the next couple months, then the Hornets should go ahead and resign them next season. I don't see such a drastic drop off here.
Wilcox has only been getting 19 minutes off the bench and has started in just 6 games..lets see what a change in scenery, starter minutes and playing with the best pg in the NBA does for you - Not to mention he gets to play off David West now.
Oh yea, and to answer a question that was asked....I do think Wilcox will benefit from being on a better team. His stats while being in NO compared to his days in Seattle & OKC is something I will be keeping an eye on.
Not to mention, you'd be surprised how motivated a player can become when he's on a team with a point guard and power forward that opens the lane for them.
It was a necessary move. Happy trails Chandler!
I was just saying that, lol. Me and you think alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
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Originally Posted by NBA Champs
Amen brother.
You're wrong. Tyson helps stop the bleeding in the paint. Without chandler our opponents get to the paint at will. You don't think Tyson boxing out helps team rebounding? How about his defense? His presence? Doesn't the defense watches him when Paul probe the lane? during fastbreaks? How about teams having to box him out? Chandler's value is more than just stats, but the only thing that seems to be brought up is his stats. Down year or not, Without chandler, the team has no post presence on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
but next year we will have 0 of that when his rights are renounced so we end up below the luxury taxQuote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
Maybe we are not a contender? Some of you are having a hard time accepting that.
a big that is not a liability on offense, and a solid presense on the boards? thanks.
Contender or not, we sure as hell had a better chance with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet
WE WILL NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO RESIGN WILCOX OR JOE SMITH NEXT YEAR!
REPEAT
WE WILL NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO RESIGN WILCOX OR JOE SMITH NEXT YEAR!
Quit making this deal something that it is not. It was a salary dump...
Now I actually thinks this helps us more this year, but I don't think we are making the Finals so it doesn't matter. It really hurts us after this year.
He's not a liability on offense. He may not be able to create his own offense but he makes his lving off of putbacks and alleyoops. Don't act like he's worthless on offense because he's not. He has his niche and it has worked well for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
Exactly! Eveyone wants to point to Chandler's scoring average when that was langiappe. I expect Wilcox's offensive numbers to increase, it is the defense that worries me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
This trade is horrible :(
wilcox has a nack for getting rebounds when he is on the court. Maybe people should look at his stats, when he gets TC minuits he also puts up 8 boards a game.
True, true. But, Wilcox can do all that as well. The only thing Chandler really has on him is size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
Wilcox offense is better than tc's.
Wilcox put up solid numbers when he got tc like numbers.
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Originally Posted by Eman5805
And fan support.
On the trade: I sorta understand it. Chandler really wasnt helping us this year to be honest. He seemed to scared to defend. Now, the important thing is we save ourselves a bunch of money going into next season. And I actually think the two guys we are getting will help us. Joe Smith plays hard. He has some intangiables that this team hasnt had since Anthony Mason in the mid 90's. I think Wilcox will play better with us than he did in OKC. Both guys run the fast break better than Chandler so we gain with them better scoring in transition. Chandler wasnt a consistant scorer. He got points off of alley oops in the half court and occaisional put backs. Now you got two guys that I believe can finish in the paint. Plus we got some size in the middle. And to reiterate, these guys played in OKC. Now they are playing on a better team. Winning makes players play better. And in the end new blood gives their teamates some energy.
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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet
yeah that explains TC's constant foul problems... and you don't think Wilcox and Smith can't roll to the basket for a Chris paul assist?
In Joe Smith... we have a guy that can come in and knock down that 15-17 foot jumper on the pick/pop. And he has a nice post game.
In Wilcox... we have a big guy that can block shots and run the floor and finish.
I understand your point... really I do... I just think that even for half a season... this trade works out best for us.
Lets put it into perspective... Chris Wilcox plays 19 minutes per game and averages 8 ppg, 5 rebs, and a half a block... thats pretty good bench production.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=1731
LOL....you're not serious are you?
Did I miss something or did they somehow
acquire Kobe Bryant in a trade too?
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Originally Posted by Eleven79
Wilcox can do what chandler did. Some of you highly overrate chandler. Wilcox is just as good a defender and actually has an offensive game besides hook shots chunked at the backboard as hard as possible(pretty funny to watch). Plus joe smith got 8.1 ppg last year off the bench for a good cleveland team.
Chandler also seems to be having lots of injuries, maybe his legs and knees and feet are wearing down from all the jumping and out of control play? He is a very small guy, he might be wearing down.
Dude, this is like the 4th post you've made in this thread ASSUMING Wilcox and Smith will leave at the end of the season. Calm down. You as well as anyone else don't know who's gonna be hear by next year so stop making assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornetHaven
We never have been, except than in the minds of many people..Quote:
Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet
Who will we start next year, i'm asking myself? Armstrong? God bless him, he's surely got better, but 6 pts, 4 rebs, 6 fouls per game? Just a little tyson, with less defense? WHy the hell shinn won't pay this damned luxury tax? After all the non sense chatter about being a title contender (and as i wrote, i've never believed we really could have been it), he dumps one of the few big men in the league, for what, getting worse than the blunders next year, maybe oh yeah, why not, then changing coach, trading d-west, and finally cp3, who'll be just sick of waiting for this idiots to make some smart move? What's then, going to kansas city? Ohh no, maybe seattle!Quote:
Exactly! Eveyone wants to point to Chandler's scoring average when that was langiappe. I expect Wilcox's offensive numbers to increase, it is the defense that worries me.
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Ok sorry not a good day and this trade ends it in just a fantastic way..a bit stressed :hihi: but really, we have a foggy present, the future? A rainy cold night, being hit by thunders ...bah..
Y'all are seriously overrating tc defensive presence. For 27 million over the next 2 I expect the guy to have some type of post game. He doesn't. And whoever said tc post game is better than wilcox I'd completly wrong. TC is also have injury problems. I don't blame shinn for dumping salary. We are going to playoffs and will be eliminated in the first or second round. This is going to happen with of without tc on the team.