What are you talking about? Okafor played 82 games the past two seasons. Meanwhile Chandler has a degenerative foot condition. Go back to your hole seriously you haven't made a single credible post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! Captain
What are you talking about? Okafor played 82 games the past two seasons. Meanwhile Chandler has a degenerative foot condition. Go back to your hole seriously you haven't made a single credible post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! Captain
did u just say that okafor isnt a right fit for this team? dude why do u even bother posting, yup tyson was a MUCH BETTER fit, we dont need a post up center shot blocker cuz we have so many of those rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Oh! Captain
people who think firing scott was a bad idea......what was good about keeping him? the team was falling apart. we didnt develop rookies. our rotations were terrible. our defensive scheme froma "defensive minded" coach were terrible (see doubling against spurs ans sun when they drained 3s on us), we lost by over 50 at home in playoffs. he has players go from starter to inactive and from inactive to starter....no in between.
whats to like?
do i think our MGMT in the organization is to blame as well? YES
do i think bower and floyd will be bad? yes
do i think we are going to have a terrible season now? yes
will cp3 be upset this season? yes
but it will all be worth it if we can make some trades, and make some good hires....im excited for the personel moves and next season already
If so, does this make CP a coach killer like Jason Kidd? At this point, I wholeheartedly approve of "coach"icide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam the Legend
I still think this will get worse before it gets better (30-35 wins max), and I hope to God Tim Floyd keeps his commentary to xs and os on the sidelines. He's liable to get punched by a player.
Alright, my mistake. :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by jmaninc68
But Bower didn't pick CP3 and Bernie Bickerstaff chose Emeka.
i dunno i always heard cp3 liked scott?
i wish someone would get an interview with him see what he says.
I wasn't referring to Okafor about the back problems. That was inclined to Peja.Quote:
Originally Posted by metalzo
Zach Randolph scores and block shots to, maybe we should trade for him.
I really don't see Okafor as a center. He's not a good post defender at all and routinely gets abused by bigger stronger centers
you are correct but to say that bower had no input in those pickups is wrong, thats all i was trying to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sneakerhead
He's going to say the usual stuff a star player who liked the coach says when this happens. "Sorry to see him go he was a great guy and I learned so much from him but I understand the team had to go in a different direction etc. etc."Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet
I cant see Bower being permanent. If he is interim i'm cool with that but not sold on permanent head coach. Bring in Jeff Van Gundy or Avery!
you know i was thinking van gundy...but figured i would get flamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CP3nDX30
might want too much money..?
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Originally Posted by metalzo
Well you know what they say about opinions right? We will see.
Magloire grew as a player and learned his trade under Brian Hill...before Floyd took over. Floyd inherited a good situation with Magloire.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbo
As far as the "real basketball minds" go....why is it that the rest of the NBA thinks he's a joke? There is a difference between being a basketball guy and an NBA basketball guy.
Good post. Maybe now that we have a guy like Floyd we can develop our younger talent instead of just letting the ride the bench. I'm pretty sure Bower didn't like to see our draft picks over the last couple seasons just sitting the bench and only getting some burn in garbage time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Fan
I think West is as good as gone and the sooner the better if we are going to deal him for a player that factors into the future of the team. There are a few contending teams that could really use a player like West, but a soft PF is not what we need now.
Call me crazy, but, uhh... wouldn't this be a good time to give Chad Shinn his first assistant coaching job? :hihi:
Agreed Okafor would be better served as a 4. That's why I'm hoping the longterm plan is to deal West at the deadline for a young prospect or two and maybe a pick. Then you either put the young prospect (or a lottery pick) as your starting 5 with Okafor at the 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! Captain
A very necessary first step was taken today, and I am quite happy about it.
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Originally Posted by jmaninc68
Point taken. :)
This is just the first domino...
He's not going to publicly throw him under the bus (see Tyson Chandler), but CP can separate friendship and winning. And when it comes down to the game -- and I think we all agree with him --, winning is all that matters on the business end/basketball court.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoDatHornet
Now...whether this move actually makes a difference in the W-L record -- only time will tell.
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by DSchexnaydre
Wow.
I figured Scott would go, but not so early in the season.
Also, Bower & Floyd disappoint me, as I'm sure it does everyone else. It's almost like we're mailing in the season, less than ten games in.
Assuming this is only a temporary fix and that we'll clean house next season. A good thing in the long run but man, it looks like this season is already over for us.
Bono
We don't need to go out and dismantle our whole team. We need a coach who is going to light a fire under these guys and make them want to play. We have ZERO engergy this season. Jeff Van Gundy doesn't take crap from players. He doesn't care if youre michael jordan, if you aren't going hard, you aren't playing. This team needs a harsh wake-up call from a stern coach.
i know bower the head coach but does any1 think floyd will take his spot?
I was on way to sleeping when I checked out this site. Two hours and 221 posts later, I can't even sit still for more than five seconds.
This paves the way for Chris' eventual departure. He has zero faith in this organization's basketball operations. What a mess. This was a total fail.
I'm still laughing at the thought that people actually want Avery Johnson and JVG here.
i 100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
i want to read an interview with him right now...see what he says about this mess.
i am willing to bet he aint happy. . .
I heard the Z's fired Boudreaux as their mascot, does he know anything about basketball? We need a GM.
If that's true then you are right...total disaster and forget about rebuilding we're going to have to wait for the next franchise player to come around if he ever does. However I disagree with you. I think Paul sticks around at least 2 years and probably 3 and we should show some real progress by then and maybe even contend in his final year convincing him to stay. Also like I've said, his attitude to me seems more like a KG who stayed through many more years of mediocrity at best. And this is coming from perhaps the biggest pessimist when it comes to the Hornets having been burned so many times before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvey Hornet
That is VERY wishful thinking. If I were Paul, I would want out like right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by metalzo
Now that Bower is the HC, how will him being the GM also go? He will now have less time for GM stuff now that he has to concentrate on being a HC. Or is he maybe just a figure head as coach and is Floyd the one actaully "running" the team?
He can want out all he wants but he's under contract for 2 more years. And he is VERY unlikely to turn down the 3rd year at 18 million especially with the cap projected to shrink.Quote:
Originally Posted by killah
Now on to D. West.
Who do you think we get for him?
Players in the NBA have ways of getting their way, unless you forgot about Baron Davis. Paul isn't just any player mind you, franchises like the Knicks would love him to be the toast of the town. You can bet trade offers will be coming in now or the near future for CP3.Quote:
Originally Posted by metalzo
Package him with Paris Hilton for:Quote:
Originally Posted by YunDiesel
Taj Gibson
Brad Miller (expiring)
1st or 2nd round pick (depending on whether West can pick his play up as the season progresses)
And you can bet we will refuse to trade him and he is no Baron Davis. Like I said, the analogy is KG in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by killah
Sportsnation poll...
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post.../bye-bye-byron
Yes sir...not too soon and not too late as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by DSchexnaydre
So far only Louisiana agrees with the firing. Figures. Most people nationally still know him as the coach of the year 2 years ago who went to the finals twice in a row against NJ. These are the same people who think Tyson for Emeka was an even swap :hihi:Quote:
Originally Posted by HunnyB
EDIT: Delaware agrees now too...all 15 of them :)
I was okay until I saw Tim Floyd name. Somebody save me, not Tim Floyd again.
The positive thing about bring Tim Floyd back is maybe we can see a round II between him and Gerry V.
Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Glenn Rice, Eddie Jones, Baron Davis.Quote:
Originally Posted by metalzo
Its happened before, so you can't say it will never happen
Anybody think we could trade west to someone with Mo Pete and Peja just to get rid of the dead weight? At least then we would go in to hte offseason with the ability to make moves!
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Originally Posted by Fartman
i agree with you. people are too quick with their judgements. the team was stagnant and stale, time for a change.
We traded LJ for Mason which was a great trade IMO. Zo left because of a major feud with Shinn not because the team sucked. Eddie Jones was getting injured and not the same player when he left. And as for Baron, his personality is tremendously different than Paul. Look you could be right I'm just saying I don't see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! Captain
I voted yes..I only wish hell yes! was an optionQuote:
Originally Posted by metalzo
What a complete JOKE this organization is! Bower as head coach? Floyd, who failed before, coming back? Absolute JOKE! Shinn should be ashamed to call himself an NBA owner as this is transparent as it comes. He does not want to spend money for a real coach, so he puts Bower (his perpetual "yes man") in charge and hires a reject like Floyd to come in and actually do the "coaching" without giving him the head coaching pay or title because of how ridiculous it would look to bring him back. However, Tim embarrassed himself in college and now would take any role given to him. Wow!
paul can't get out. there is a CONTRACT, a Legal binding document. he's also paid extremely well.Quote:
Originally Posted by killah
I remember suggesting trading West 2 years ago for Josh Smith and Acie Law and I was maligned by everyone on this board.