That is true, but he will never be more than a 7th or 8th man.
I dont think thats true. From what i remember, Brown was a stud in Lakerland. I dont know what happend to him on the Suns, but the few games i did see, he played rather well. They should have started him instead of Duddly. I really wouldnt mind giving Brown a shot. If we could get Warrick+Brown+lakers 1st for traitor Gordon, i would consider that a win.
Im just afraid of asking to much and PHX calling our bluff. I wouldn't want to be stuck with a upset star and have my hand forced like denver last year and orlando this year!
I don't know if its possible but I'd love to S & T Gordon to Chicago for Noah straight up, and I think they would have to at least consider it.
I disagree :hihi: I personally think that is one of the funniest signatures I've ever seen. The creepy eyes on the left along with his weird looking stance in the middle. Looks like he's feeling extra happy in that pic:hihi:
He should look happy, home is where the heart is. :hihi:
Its just kinda creepy. One of the best signatures i have ever seen, but creepy. Specially with the picture where his hands are together like an evil Mr. Burns. I could actually see him posing like that in a suns jersey...........
........right after he screws us over. :(
Really motiejunas face of your franchise... I'm sorry, I feel for your team.
Lamb is like miller after downing a bottle of cough syrup
And Lowry is at most a top 15 pg.
Your team should be happy to get gordon for those two players and the pick.
Both players are unproven and gordon is a top 5 sg. Yes he has injury concerns but your team will have a steal on their hands if that boy can put in 2 full seasons over this contract. You've got to give to get buddy.
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I bet thats why Gordons heart is in Pheonix. You cant find tail like that everyday in the Bayou!
Really? Name 15 PGs better than Lowry.
And here you go read the comparison on here
http://nbadraft.net/players/jeremy-lamb
And bro I don't trust our med staff to keep him healthy for even 5 games let alone 2 seasons :hihi: Ever since Yao started getting injury trouble, our players have all caught on to that disease
Aggregate IQ... of forum... sinking!
Lowry was a top 15 PG this past season before his injury.
Lol Ryan called your bluff, though I think he does fall in right next to dragic.
I personally just don't like lambs demenor looks like he might pass out at any moment, like he doesn't care about the game.
personally I want to trade him out to a team with a horrid medical staff, send him to Portland, but in all fairness I hope he plays well enough to make both sides of the trade equal, whatever that may be.
I think the Suns would do this because Warrick and Brown probably are not in the Suns plans with Gordon here anyway. But they are not going to give up normal trade value for Gordon. They are overpaying for him already and they know it. So giving up more usable assets for the right to overpay doesn't make sense.
This whole thread is lol-worthy. You guys do realize that as soon as Gordon signs the offer sheet he can't be sign and traded at all never mind to the Rockets. On top of that, unless Gordon changes his mind and rejects the offer sheet from the Suns, NO can only negotiate with the Suns for a sign and trade.
You aren't going to fleece the Suns by the way, so asking for Gortat, Marshall, Morris, unprotected picks ain't gonna fly. It will be at MOST Marshall(or Morris), 2 lotto protected 1st's. When the Suns S&T Joe Johnson it was for Diaw, 2 picks. If you ask for the world the Suns will say "No thanks, have fun building around your disgruntled star who does not want to be there".
And just why would the Suns renounce and allow you guys to sign and trade him? If no sign and trade is worked out by the 11th, Gordon will sign the offer sheet and NO have the choice to match/not match. That's it. If they match they can't trade him until Dec 15th, and he can veto any trade for a year. Good luck with that.
It just a silly scenario. There is no reason why the Suns would renounce so he could be traded elsewhere. Not trying to troll here, really. Just trying to look objectively. I have always assumed that NO would match. I don't think the Suns are going to offer anything of great substance for a s&t. They are just overpaying and then wondering if NO wants to overpay a sg who does not want to be there. If so, the Suns move on to the next option.
If they can make it more palatable by giving NO something will take the sting out of it, fine.
It happened to the Suns with Joe Johnson.
You're missing the point. I never said they would renounce to be traded elsewhere. The only path to Phx is if Gordon does not sign their contract or they renounce. The suns would only renounce if they agree to a sign and trade if they want Gordon that bad. They don't and have expressed they won't sign and trade for him. They wouldn't renounce for him to be traded elsewhere because he already can be traded elsewhere with his permission for a year. After the year we can send him to the Bobcats if we wanted and the Suns and Gordon would have to live with it. We will match if he signs the deal and he won't be a sun for at least 3 years.
I don't usually make trades but here is one I like that I thought of.
Philly Trade
Iggy
2014 (top 5 protected pick)
Receive
Eric Gordon
New Orleans Trade
Gordon
New Orleans Receive
Biedrins
Barnes
GSW 2013 (top 3 Protected first)
76ers 2014 (top 5 protected pick)
Golden State Trade
Barnes
Biedrins
2013 (top 3 protected)
Receive
Iggy
Why for 76ers: They are an athletic team with no outside shooters, Eric Gordon would instantly be their best player and give them an outside threat. There was talk of a draft day trade with GSW which has died now so building upon this
Why for Hornets: Its good value - we have the cap space to take on Biedrins for a couple of years, Barnes looks like a nice prospect and firsts next season and 2014 help the rebuild.
Why for Warriors: They have stated they want proven players to compete now, there was talk of Iggy for pick #7 before the draft this is just adding to that while taking Biedrins of their hands (with Curry likely to get a large deal next year, this could be very important)
Suns Fan: "Will you take two scrubs and a top twenty protected pick for Gordon?"
Hornets Fan: "No."
Suns Fan: "U guyz r st00pid lololololololol!"
Bottom line: The Hornets aren't going to let Gordon walk for nothing. They have endless amounts of cap space to eat his contract for a year then trade him elsewhere. The Hornets are not going to trade him to the Suns for garbage, for the reason why see the last sentence. If the Suns actually want Gordon they'll have to part with at least two quality players (and yes that's going to be players the Suns fans don't want to lose and not a couple of bums) and a draft pick that's no more than top three protected. Sorry, that's reality. That's the only way the Suns get Gordon in the next three/four years.
Don't like it? C'est la vie, just walk away but that's the way it is. They aren't going to get him simply by 'overpaying' when the team that can match has $40 million in cap space and is currently rebuilding. He's an asset. Another team will take him a year from now at $14 million unless he breaks his legs.
With his injury history, would you got out and sign Eric Gordon if he was an UFA to a max contract (even though it was really $10M more than you thought he was worth) if you knew he wouldn't be happy here?
Sounds like a really stupid question doesn't it? (and obviously he wouldn't sign here if he didn't want to be here, but of course this is hypothetical)
Or would you do it simply because, even though you thought you were overpaying him, that he would be a valuable trade asset later, even though he is injured every season?
If you reasonably answered that you wouldn't go out and sign him if he was unrestricted, what's REALLY the difference here?
Just listened to today's episode of the Swarm, and all it really did for me was to push home the fact that matching the offer and bringing Gordon back is by far our best best. Those trades that were proposed were just terrible.
What if Gordon blows his ACL's next year?
The point here is that Gordon is going to a Hornet or a Sun next year and that will be for a max contract. I do believe the Suns would do a minimal s&t. Warrick, a resigned Shannon Brown, and the 2013 Laker pick would probably do it. If not, Gordon will be an unhappy Hornet. I am sure he will get over it.
Hello there NO Fans-
I'm a Suns fan and created an account to bounce stuff off you guys at least until this whole saga finishes either way.
Trade scenarios with Phx on S&T:
#1
If NO truly wants Gortat you'll going to have to take Josh Childress.
Suns trade:
Marcin Gortat (7.2 mil)
Josh Childress (6.8 mil)
Kendall Marshall (2.1 mil)
Suns 1st round pick ( No protection)
Lakers 1st round pick ( Lakers)
Lakers 2nd round pick (Lakers
Hornets trade:
Eric Gordon (14 mil)
#2
Well just give you all of our prospects
Suns trade:
Kendall Marshall
Markieff Morris
Both of Lakers 1st round picks
Suns 1st round draft pick ( lottery proctected)
If not, then you'll can stay with an unhappy maxed (5 yrs 78 mil) Eric Gordon and the Suns will go after a cheaper version OJ Mayo and still have money to go after either Serge Ibaka/James Harden next offseason.
There's no way we take back Childress, and Gortat isn't even as good as his stats suggest (offensively) - Nash did wonders for him.
We get: Gortat, Marshall, and Suns' 1st round pick unprotected
Suns get: Gordon
That's it. Gordon is a great young player. A franchise player, and he is only 23.
why on Earth was Childress given that contract? Desperation I guess.
Just because you're angry at Gordon doesn't mean u should lower his value. EJ can play and some of you guys are acting like he's a scrub because he said bad things about the team.... Soon the fans will be whining just as much as Gordon
This. I would be ecstatic if they could get that for Gordon. Not familiar with Childress contract but unless it goes on for like another three or four years that's not a problem at all.
Just to fill you in: worst case scenario for the Hornets is to match the 4 year $58 million the Suns offered. They don't have to give him 5 years $78 million.
I'll take #1.. the unprotected 2013 (I'm assuming you mean 2013) would be the best asset here, because without Gortat I don't think the Suns have a very good chance of making the playoffs with Beasley, Frye, and Lopez starting (that's who I assume will be starting), no offense. The West just looks really deep this year like always and I expect there to be a .500 team to not make the playoffs this year, which could end up being Phoenix.
I'd really try to switch Childress to Warrick so that the contract isn't too tough to swallow. Phoenix can always amnesty Childress if they really have to, and they're still unloading an unfavorable contract who probably won't get too much time with Beasley, Morris, and Frye taking up time at the PF spot.
So my return proposal would be
Suns trade:
Marcin Gortat (7.2 mil)
Hakim Warrick (4.6 mil)
Kendall Marshall (2.1 mil)
Suns unprotected 2013 1st round pick
Lakers unprotected 2013 1st and 2nd round picks
Hornets trade:
Eric Gordon (14 mil)