Not surprised, he makes above 3.5 if we pick it up
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Kyle Korver? Though the 4 team starting thing comes into question, unless you count preseason for Atlanta
No. The Hornets have 2 things to consider in picking up options.
1) will committing to a salary keep you from offering a max deal. Vasquez' $2.1M doesn't hit the cap space as hard as Henry and Aminu's $3M and $4M.
2) Is the qualifying offer more than the player could get on the open market? Just like Beli and Jason Smith. Demps knew he could get Smith much cheaper than the QO and he did. The same thing may well happen with Aminu. No one will complain about Aminu being an 8th man if he's on a deal similar to Smith's.
I like the 50/50 aspect....either we do something or we don't....
This is NOT the guy that I know Dell offered a package for today, but how would people feel about:
Henry, Warrick, and Vasquez for Jose Calderon (1 yr rental)
Calderon doesn't play a lick of defense but he can run a team and will keep the turnovers under control
Go out and sign Gary Forbes and Jon Brockman at league mins to fill the roster spots. Three upgrades IMO
Love it. I followed the Raps for a long time and calderon is a great leader and pg.
I wouldn't give up Vasquez to get Calderon on a rental.. I think Vasquez can be the long term answer at back up PG.
Calderon meanwhile would be a nice player to have this year, but I'd rather think long term over short term. Also, I'm not sure if Calderon would be too happy playing in New Orleans. Considering we already have the possibility of Gordon not wanting to be here, having 2 starters not wanting to be here potentially is just not good to me when rebuilding.
Vasquez brings a lot of intangible qualities to the team and while he's been disappointing this preseason, I think the addition of Gordon to the starting line up and more time with the new team will greatly benefit Vasquez. And quite honestly, even if the turnovers do continue, I'm okay with that. It'll lead to a better draft pick this draft and that's always good :)
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Doesn't bother me any. If I'm busy, I don't click on the thread. If I'm bored, I do. As long as it's labeled properly, it's all good.
I wish I could just listen in on all of Dell's conversations.
But what's the point ? We lose him after the year. So we basically get better to have a worse pick to lose him in the offseason? Seems like a waste of time to be honest. Still don't think we make the playoffs. I'd like to hear the reasoning. If we keep the team as is, we can see what Vasquez has to offer us long term and we can build a little more "naturally".
1. Can Warrick be traded so soon?
2. Calderon would be a 10.5 mil expiring, adding even more money for next years FA.
That trade McNamara posted would be pointless.
Good point. We'd be dumping a cheap role player (worst case) in Vasquez to pick up an expiring veteran. Henry & Warrick are likely gone after this year anyway so it's not like we'd be doing it to dump salary. If anything, it's worse for the cap due to losing a key role player that would be making only 2 million.
Basically, we'd end up with a slightly better record (lower draft pick), and fewer future assets. It'd be a terrible trade for the current Hornets' situation. Only way I could se it is if the Raptors throw in a first rounder. But that's basically tied up with the Rockets (now Thunder) for the next half a decade.
haha here we go....
I think a lot are only looking at numbers here and not the entire picture. We need to think about player development, mental progression, and lets not forget fan involvement. We don't want to just tank this year. We don't want to just say its a rebuilding year and lets cash it in. You always take the win. We are a very young team, and going 12 -72 could destroy our young team's confidence. We need to breed the culture of winning. We cannot afford to waste a year. Building a culture takes a very very long time.
Because we are a young team, we need to run. Calderon excels at the lob pass. I think Calderon would be a much needed boost to the team. Imagine all of the alley-opps to AD23 and the chief this year?
Exactly. At the rate we are turning the ball over currently, how are Davis and Co. going to progress if we never have the ball?
Think of GV to Calderon as an extra 200-400 possessions/shots for the Hornets throughout the year, not so much in terms of wins and losses
so this is a chance of happening?
Technically everything has a CHANCE of happening
Look- most of you now know what I know. Dell has been exploring several smaller moves that would impact this season but not seasons beyond. I know he has inquired about several backup wing players and has proposed one trade that would land us a starter on an expiring contract.
From the proposal I know he made (and was rejected by the other team), it seems to me that he is trying to swindle someone but if they don't bite, he is content with what he has going into the year.
So, basically, by tomorrow night Dell will have either pulled off a trade that makes us all say, "Wait, why would the other team do that?" or we will go to war with the guys we got as Dell continues to survey the landscape for a no brainer type of deal
Yes I know, one of his biggest downfalls IMO.
A true coach/leader learns and adapts. They do not stick to the my way or the high way train of thought, unless of course that way is backed with years of proven success, which Monty does not have at this time.
I hope that our coach realizes, that even the greatest defense of all time still allowed 83.4 PPG. We will be nowhere near the greatest defense of all time, so it stands to reason we will give up at least 92 per game. We need to play to our strengths, which is youth - speed and athleticism. Do not bog us down in a half court set, we will need all the easy baskets we can get.
aslong as we end up with Jrue or CP3 next season i'm happy
He wants to run after getting turnovers. But his offense is a bit slower paced. So we need someone that can do both. Vasquez excells at running half court sets. But running out on the break and he looks out of his element.
Unless we are making a hard push for the playoffs I don't understand sending out a longterm sixth man in Vasquez for a one year rental, and Calderon isn't the difference between us and the post season.
That's the thing though. We're NOt tanking this year but not taking a guy like Calderon. We're letting young guys develop, but it's not trading everyone off to get a worse record. Why not see what the young guys have and see who's going to make the long term team? If this is the direction we should go, then why start Aminu over Ariza last year?
One mock draft has us taking Noel at number 4...
Can you imagine the world actually coming to a complete stop and the center of it being NOLA...
Yes. Last season was a shortened season with many players that were not going to be here long term and there was a deep draft with a franchise changing player. This season you have a weak draft and long term players throughout the roster so it's time to establish a culture of winning and you don't do that by tanking.
GV is a cool guy and very likeable, but he turns the ball over too much. I'd take Calderon on a 1-year rental in a heartbeat. We're probably developing Roberts to be the longterm backup.
And who knows? Maybe during the season Rivers will be ready to take over the point, and we could possibly flip Calderon for something else (SF maybe?).
So many possibilities.
The thing is, Greivis has never turned the ball over as much as he did this preseason. I don't know if perhaps it's playing with new players or thinking about if his option would be picked up or what but he never turned the ball over much until this preseason.
GV will average 7-10 assist this year. "Mark it dude". Yea, lots of turnovers in pre-season but...its pre season and he wasnt alone in those troubles.
I was just about to say this. No one was worrying about GV before this preseason. There is likely a logical reason that he was turning the ball over so much this preseason. Maybe playing with an entirely new lineup? Trying things he wouldn't trying in a regular season game? Running new sets? You never know. I'm not going to judge the guy after a preseason with a depleted roster. I still have faith that the guy can be a premier backup PG in this league.
Im hoping we get Calderon. he is the perfect mentor for Rivers. He is a great team leader. He makes up better this year. He is a valuable trade chip for the deadline that can be traded for picks, young players to a contender. He stabilizes the offence and helps Davis, Anderson grow.
I hope to be wrong, but it looks as if this exercise has run it's course. I'm just really curious as to what trades Dell might be talking about this upcoming deadline.