Well we can only hope his situation isn't that serious. I will be sick if Davis has to get surgery, even if it's minor
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Please come back AD and end this madness!
Well we already know our training staff kinda sucks, so only thing I hope for is Davis don't turn into an injury prone player like Gordon.
Anyways I don't think his injury is that bad to miss more than 2 weeks, we are just playing it extra safe.
Let's take a knee, krewe.
Let's just agree that "2 weeks" is a polite way to not answer a question. This keeps the casual fan from abandoning the team for the season while keeping the diehard (you all) hungry for news.
Quit taking the words literally. They are not there to clearly transfer information accurately and effectively (informative mode of communication), they are there to promote certain actions and reactions (persuasive mode of communication). Mistaking the one for the other brings me joy (entertaining mode of communication), but it causes distraction among us all.
Please, just watch what they do and educate yourselves if you truly care. Trust that the team is doing what is best for itself until you know otherwise, and view all with skepticism.
Then, just enjoy what's in front of us since we aren't going to be the best or the worst team this season.
Break!
There is a word for all you just described. It's called "indefinitely". It's been used before so no harm in using it again. The diehards will be here. The casual fans are all about football or something else right now, so it makes no sense to try and string them along. They aren't here now in the first place.
They chose 1 - 2 weeks because I believe they honestly did not know the extent and wanted to be careful. They deemed 1 -2 weeks as careful enough at the time and I predict he'll play at some point during the homestand.
That said, they must get a handle on how they handle injury situations. Forget the casual fans, they'll start losing die hards if they make gross miscalculations... as in if Davis doesn't come back until January. No one wants to stand behind people who seem inept. Not diehards and most certainly no chance at the casuals.
I don't understand Twitter speech. So did the medical staff just shrug because they thought it was a ridiculous assumption? I don't get why us fans can never be in the know. It's not like one of those "should be none of your business" deals. I'm making the Grizzlies my last game of 2012 until I get some understanding of wth is going on with this team. I'm confident in Davis playing again this season, but no update on Gordon or information on wth is wrong with him. So frustrating.Quote:
GerrityJoe I'd say there's 99.992% chance he plays. RT @riverbenddog: Davis going to sit out the season? Asked medical staff but they just shrugged.
I've got two free tickets Monday, then going Friday.
Not wasting another penny on this team until 10 or 23 get bac k after that.
Persuasive of what? Casual fans won't show up until the big tickets are on the court and Ws start to mount, so it makes no difference to them. That leaves the regular fans to deal with this, as you put it "persuasion", and it has only created resentment. Mounting resentment with each passing day. Is this what they want? I think not.
There is no point is "persuading" fans that a player will be out 2 weeks when you KNOW they might be out 6. As a regular die hard fan, I expect him back sometime next week. If they come out and say it'll be another 2 to 4 weeks, they can kiss my **** goodbye for a good while. That only indicates to me this organization is being run by a team of untrained marmosets.
There is no point in "persuasion" and I don't think that is their intention.
I also think you don't think that.
What's the benefit to `them' of telling `us' the unvarnished truth?
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Monty estimated today Anthony Davis is "at least a week away from us even thinking about ramping up his conditioning, let alone playing."
lol
if i understand correctly from previous statements made by the eg and the hornets organization...gordon and davis should be bk on the court playing together by next week
I want our medical team replaced. This is a joke.
I'm tired of being told one thing and another happening.
December is officially written off.
I read what you wrote for 247, I just figured that what Davis had might have been much less severe to cause the 1-2 week projection.
If this is on track to what the Hornets' medical staff said and the PR team is telling us something completely different, then I feel they need to be fired immediately. This has happened way too much over the past 2 seasons and it's completely frustrating as a fan.
Its called being responsible to the consumers and leads to less resentment in the long run. It doesn't benefit to hide the truth either because there version of the truth will be exposed eventually which it has been especially in the Gordon situation. A lot less people are giving him and the team the benefit of the doubt compared to last year. If Davis has a serious injury, they should be honest about it instead of trying to hope that fans will attend a crap product on the court.
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I read what you wrote for 247, I just figured that what Davis had might have been much less severe to cause the 1-2 week projection.
If this is on track to what the Hornets' medical staff said and the PR team is telling us something completely different, then I feel they need to be fired immediately. This has happened way too much over the past 2 seasons and it's completely frustrating as a fan.
They are doing their jobs well.
If you were told Davis will be out for 8 - 16 weeks, what will you do? A generic you would ignore the team for 8 weeks then maybe forget to check in again.
If it's day-to-day, then just a week or two (not two! maybe just one!), then you look around voraciously for that good news. Already we've got something to take us through week 3 to get us to week 4 . . . will he increase his conditioning?
See? See how the message is effective for the team's goals, none of which include letting you spend your time in a way that is best for you.
You have to take what they say and what else is out there in the world and cobble together a few realistic larger possible truths, then go from there.
People forget that this team is a business, and the business has just a little to do with basketball. It's more about entertainment, and controversy is some of the most entertaining stuff there is.
ETA: You figured or you hoped? Hoped, right?
Really? Apparently you haven't paid attention to this business and what their consumers eat up like like chocolate covered boobs.
You theory explains what does not happen time and time again. My theory explains what happens time and time again. Which do you think is correct?
By the way, you are still reading, still following them like hungry lost puppy, and still no more aware of what the `game' is than you were when the Gordon situation started.
Honestly, I'm not following the situation at all because I don't care too at this point. Anytime I read 1-2 weeks or 4-6 weeks or anything else, I just roll my eyes.
I know teams aren't honest with their fans, but this particular organization doesn't have much margin of error.
It is clear that you do not know what you are talking about, agreed, but thanks for validating the hypothesis.
They have tons or margins of error . . . you for instance, are still talking about them despite the big talk of alienating the fan base and rolling eyes, etc. You are not alone.
I understand the reasoning behind the misinformation however there are some cons to that approach which have been made evident through the Gordon injuries. Had there been more transparency with his injuries, I think more people would be understanding instead of some people assuming he's dogging it and doesn't want to be here. The fact that a good number of the fanbase believes Gordon is not playing because he is faking it and wants out is not good for business.
Just because I'm talking about them doesn't mean anything. I'm not buying tickets, not watching every game. Alot of fans are like that. Attendance doesn't lie either.
Have you really prevented any facts or diagnosis on Davis or Gordon? No just hypothesis. Also, are you the only person here with medical expertise? No
Yeah, I read that and I'm not suprised considering what he thinks is the diagnosis.
I remember hearing about a stress reaction which is one thing, but a stress fracture is something else. If it is a stress fracture, then he will be out for awhile. A long while.
Alot of this is also on Davis not being physically developed yet.
I still keep up with the team because I like the team. It's my home team. I have already made up in my mind that we probably won't see a real lineup till probably after All Star break. Now actually attending the games? I hardly attend them as it is (for financial reasons). And for as long as the organization lies, I will be even more conservative with my money. Losing seasons, injuries, having no ownership, etc. Hornets fans have been through a lot. All we ask is for some honesty, some clarity, something. Instead, they feel it is best to treat us like a kid whose parent has cancer. "Oh your dad is just a little sick, Baby." The Davis situation is not that bad because they at least told us what was wrong with him. But the whole Gordon situation was horrible. That's why when I read that tweet about them shrugging about Davis missing the whole season, I immediately thought about this turning into a Gordon situation. Can't rule out anything with this organization's history.
I'm sensing a lot of angry and frustrating tones here. :hihi: Chances are, if you're angry or frustrated, it's probably because you care about the team and are not pleased with certain situations. The team that isn't doing very well right now for whatever reasons. IMO too though, if you're on a team's message board or blog, taking the time to log in to voice your opinions, to agree or disagree, you ARE following the situations. You might not want to admit it or might not want to feel like you are, but, you are.
Either you care about the team or you just come here because some of the best people in the world are here. ;)
If it's a stress fracture, it'll be alot longer than 8-16 weeks.
And AD, I'm just quoting. I don't hear anyone disputing this range for a stress reaction in the ankle. I'd love to be enlightened by another.
Attendance doesn't like either . . . about what it is it is measuring, which is, for this team, wins last year and, to an extent, wins this year. It being down doesn't mean the `world' agrees with anything negative that can be posited about the team.
And yes, I present data (the same data we all have access to) and an analysis of it, something leading to some hypothesis which can be tested when more information comes up. There is nothing wrong with that and that's all I ever do unless I explicitly state otherwise.
So what?
That's inferior to what? Knowing everything about the team and spilling the beans? Well, even if I did, I wouldn't disclose other people's business. So what? What should I be doing instead?
Or maybe we can just compare the situation to that of a train wreck in that we just can't seem to look away. :hihi:
I understand both sides of the discussion.
As a die hard fan the last thing you want to feel like is that you're being jerked around. Lying to keep people interested is a dangerous tactic. You don't want your fanbase to start tuning out your announcements.
This is total BS. You were excited about this season. You made those threads posting the advanced metrics until we started losing, then you stopped. You are just a fare weather fan. You root for the team when we win, and you bash us on Spurstalk when we aren't playing well. Just chill man.
Oh, and by the way, I think it's hilarious that you just admitted to being a troll, yet you call Da Throne "Da Troll." :rolleyes:
I'm not fair weathered. I'm just realistic. I've followed the Saints, Hornets, and Royals most of my life and I'm much older than you so I've experienced a lot more losing than you could imagine. I'm not in college anymore or a single guy so I have other priorities (like my Sim League team :hihi: ). I still watch when I can, but when the team isn't consistently playing hard, I draw a line.
I don't bash this team. I'm just honest. People don't like it because they're too emotionally attached. I'm a die hard fan, but I'm not a homer and i never will be.
Alright guys. Let's not start calling each other homers and challenging each others fanhood just because you don't agree. Just because one doesn't agree doesn't make them homers or 'unrealistic'. People see things differently and have differences of opinion.
In your defense you were just responding to someone else who clearly didn't know you where joking.
But to my point the whole attacking name calling thing is way over done for the smallest of reasons. If you are posting on this board with regularity you're clearly a fan. How you choose to be a fan or how you grade the team should be your prerogative.
I'm pretty sure most here know that they will not be agreed with on every topic. What I do think is over the top though is when you feel the need to run into every thread about a particular player mocking any and everyone that says anything positive about that player. I don't think people here don't call you a troll because you disagree with them or because you have an 'alternative view'. They call you a troll because you feel the need to challenge every single thing positive said about the player. Do you honestly think people don't know your feelings on this player by now? :rolleyes: You've thrown out a few positives yourself but I don't know if it's because you believe it or because you don't want anyone saying you NEVER have anything positive to say.
Hey I don't run into just any thread and give my opinion it's in the appropriate thread started by another person. And usually somebody has called me out in those threads.
If somebody can make a million threads about the same person and It's ok for everybody to make similiar if not the same the type comments why is it a problem when I do the same?
Even now you want to assume that I'm positive only to avoid coming across negative. Which is a very silly disposition. I'm the only one usually approaching any discussion with any kind of open mindedness and/or maturity.
So no one else is open minded or mature now? And you do run into every thread to challenge and mock anything anyone has to say positive about the guy. If you don't run into every one of them, you run into at least 98% of them. There are others that go into the threads not agreeing on some things as well but I haven't seen anyone do it in 98% of those threads. And I can understand you wanting to peek into the threads to see if you're being called out. That's a form of baiting that needs to stop.