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10-31-2012, 02:05 PM
RaisingTheBar

I thought this was going to be an EJ trade idea thread, preparing for December 15th.
10-31-2012, 02:06 PM
Eman5805

It could be that too.
10-31-2012, 02:07 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBrow

I thought this was going to be an EJ trade idea thread, preparing for December 15th.

Nope its a petition to sign Pervis Ellington page. Lolololololololllolololololll
10-31-2012, 02:17 PM
PelsFan2313

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Nope its a petition to sign Pervis Ellington page. Lolololololololllolololololll

I was actually wrong. I edited my original post.

Last American-born Caucasian that went first in the draft was Kent Benson, 1977.
10-31-2012, 02:23 PM
Unknown Poster

Tank!
10-31-2012, 02:28 PM
PelsFan2313

Shabazz is so nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSsj_Ruz-w
10-31-2012, 02:29 PM
PelsFan2313

Some decent footage of Mitchell. There's barely any videos of him on YouTube.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZGKZA5ges
10-31-2012, 02:30 PM
PelsFan2313

Nice breakdown of Zeller's game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6IrTEWLoy8
10-31-2012, 02:35 PM
PelsFan2313

Short compilation of McAdoo highlights (only high school). Another player with very few videos on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFLet7g2aOI&feature=BFa&list=PL205C2831ACDAD60B
10-31-2012, 02:41 PM
Luke's Pelicans

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

No, it's the truth. And you're apparently too blind to see what's in front of you. This has been addressed plenty of times. I didn't say Zeller wasn't worthy of being the #1 pick. All I said was that looking at the way past drafts have gone, I'd be pleasantly surprised if Zeller goes 1.

And this does matter because if he doesn't go 1, we may have a shot at getting him being that I think we'll end up with one of the five worst records in the league.

I gave you the facts. I'll let you decide why you think such a disparity may exist. I'm just excited at the prospect of possibly landing him. Zeller and Davis would make such a nasty frontcourt duo.

My feelings are more that the reason we haven't had a white guy go number one is because we haven't had one that was talented enough to go number 1. Zeller is talented enough to go number 1.

Not so much that it's a racial stigma.
10-31-2012, 02:41 PM
bradael

Best player available regardless of position. In their primes, Anthony Davis can play the 4 or 5 IMO and Rivers can play the 1 or 2. Gordon can play the 1 or 2 as well, but who knows about his future health. At this point, I'd assume he won't be on the team when Davis & Rivers get new contracts. Since they're not limited to any specific position, you can draft anyone.
10-31-2012, 02:44 PM
PelsFan2313

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

My feelings are more that the reason we haven't had a white guy go number one is because we haven't had one that was talented enough to go number 1. Zeller is talented enough to go number 1.

Not so much that it's a racial stigma.

You don't think there's been one American-born Caucasian college basketball player talented enough to go #1 in the past 35 years? Really? Fair enough. I'm done talking about this here, at least.

I think the more important point is that we both agree that Zeller would make a great addition to our team. I only bought the "race" thing up in order to convince you and others that we don't necessarily need the #1 pick to have an opportunity to snag him.

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Originally Posted by bradael

Best player available regardless of position. In their primes, Anthony Davis can play the 4 or 5 IMO and Rivers can play the 1 or 2. Gordon can play the 1 or 2 as well, but who knows about his future health. At this point, I'd assume he won't be on the team when Davis & Rivers get new contracts. Since they're not limited to any specific position, you can draft anyone.

It just so happens that next year's draft is pretty deep with 3s and 5s, arguably our weakest positions.

(I'm not counting PG b/c Monty and Demps have that spot "filled" long-term with Rivers).
10-31-2012, 02:49 PM
Luke's Pelicans

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

You don't think there's been one American-born Caucasian college basketball player talented enough to go #1 in the past 35 years? Really? Fair enough. I'm done talking about this here, at least.

I think the more important point is that we both agree that Zeller would make a great addition to our team. I just bought the "race" thing up in order to convince you and others that we don't need the #1 pick to have an opportunity to snag him.

No there hasn't been, at least not in the last 15 years of my memory. Don't feel like looking back. Point out the one that was snubbed. From a drafting point of view and not from his career.
10-31-2012, 02:54 PM
PelsFan2313

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

No there hasn't been, at least not in the last 15 years of my memory. Don't feel like looking back. Point out the one that was snubbed. From a drafting point of view and not from his career.

That would take way too long to go back year by year and come up with each and every snubbed American-born Caucasian player.

Logic dictates that thirty-five years is way too large of a sample size to conclude otherwise; there must be an explanation for such a disparity. Race is the most transparent one.

But like I said, I'm done talking about this. You can believe what you want. The facts clearly say otherwise.
10-31-2012, 02:59 PM
Luke's Pelicans

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

That would take way too long to go back year by year and come up with each and every snubbed American-born Caucasian player.

Logic dictates that thirty-five years is way too large of a sample size to conclude otherwise; there must be an explanation for such a disparity. Race is the most transparent one.

But like I said, I'm done talking about this. You can believe what you want. The facts clearly say otherwise.

Or it could be the fact that blacks are naturally better ball players because of their athleticism. That is a fact. And there is science that will prove that and not theory.
10-31-2012, 03:20 PM
IamQuailman

What about CP next year ;)
10-31-2012, 03:27 PM
WhoDatPelican

Too early for the talk of the TANK. Besides the Saints are using it right now.... Not enough tanks to go around in this city.
10-31-2012, 03:29 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by NOH2313

Short compilation of McAdoo highlights (only high school). Another player with very few videos on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFLet7g2aOI&feature=BFa&list=PL205C2831ACDAD60B

Does not jump out at me athetically at all even against high school competition. Maybe its the video not showing it. He looks solid all around but this made me like him less.
10-31-2012, 03:33 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

No there hasn't been, at least not in the last 15 years of my memory. Don't feel like looking back. Point out the one that was snubbed. From a drafting point of view and not from his career.

Larry bird was 30ish years ago, but no not many white players have lived up to billing in awhile. Love is a flawed star. This is coming from a white guy.
10-31-2012, 03:34 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

Or it could be the fact that blacks are naturally better ball players because of their athleticism. That is a fact. And there is science that will prove that and not theory.

:hihi: 'Blacks'
10-31-2012, 03:37 PM
Luke's Pelicans

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Larry bird was 30ish years ago, but no not many white players have lived up to billing in awhile. Love is a flawed star. This is coming from a white guy.

Lol I am a white guy also. Larry Bird and Kevin Love. Neither were very athletic and without hindsight would be hard to take number 1. Obviously they both are worth 1st pick after seeing how good they are/were. But the top spot in the draft is so potential based.

Edit: My point is I think Zeller has a shot at number one, He is way more "talented" than a Kevin Love was coming out.
10-31-2012, 03:43 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

Lol I am a white guy also. Larry Bird and Kevin Love. Neither were very athletic and without hindsight would be hard to take number 1. Obviously they both are worth 1st pick after seeing how good they are/where. But the top spot in the draft is so potential based.

Edit: My point is I think Zeller has a shot at number one, He is way more "talented" than a Kevin Love was coming out.

Not really for Love who had question marks of atheticism and height; plus that was the Derek Rose draft. Bird should have gone #1, but he had question marks as well coming from a small college. I'm not sure Zellar will have the ceiling that a Noel or Shabazz have.
10-31-2012, 03:48 PM
Luke's Pelicans

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Not really for Love who had question marks of atheticism and height; plus that was the Derek Rose draft. Bird should have gone #1, but he had question marks as well coming from a small college. I'm not sure Zellar will have the ceiling that a Noel or Shabazz have.

We are agreeing. On all points. I wasn't really saying Love should have been number 1. I was saying what you are saying in that he had question marks.

As for Noel and Shabazz I agree with you. They have the higher ceiling but Zellers ceiling is really high too. We shall see.
10-31-2012, 03:51 PM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by Luke's Hornets

We are agreeing. On all points. I wasn't really saying Love should have been number 1. I was saying what you are saying in that he had question marks.

As for Noel and Shabazz I agree with you. They have the higher ceiling but Zellers ceiling is really high too. We shall see.

yeah, it'll matter who's drafting honestly. I think a guy like Zeller would be great next to Davis personally. But if Gordon stays injured we may need to grab another wing.
10-31-2012, 04:04 PM
PelsFan2313

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

yeah, it'll matter who's drafting honestly. I think a guy like Zeller would be great next to Davis personally. But if Gordon stays injured we may need to grab another wing.

I'd rather a wing player. I think Anderson-Davis will make up our starting frontcourt for years to come. We need a 2 and a 3 to grow alongside Rivers. If we could land a Shabazz/McAdoo/Mitchell and then sign Iggy, we'd be set. But if Zeller is available, and both Shabazz and McAdoo is gone, you have to seriously consider taking Zeller. It'll probably come down to need vs. talent at the end of the day, as it always does. This is all dictated on how we perform this season and where we end up in the lottery.

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