Team Vets Hold Meeting After Loss To OKC

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

what veterans?

seriously, i was there tonight and it was a pretty awful showing, but nobody in that arena was too down about it. as noted above, playing without your best 2 players against that kind of talent.... we were just overmatched, pure and simple. throw in poor shooting and yikes.

that said - I have to admit, I'm getting more & more pessimistic about austin rivers. just don't see how he fits. Not a good enough ball handler to be a starting PG, and not a good enough shooter to be our starting SG. He can develop into pretty good depth... but that's pretty costly depth. hope i'm wrong.

sorry for the detour into riversland, feel free to ignore.

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IDK if I should take this as a joke or what. Answer this, how can you judge a ROOKIE still at the beginning of the year and his 1st year? Do you know how long it takes guards to reach there potential? The guy showed and still shows potential.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

What else are they gonna do there but listen?

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That's exactly my point. I want them in on everything, learning from the vets. The best way to learn, as a rookie, is to just shut up and listen. It's not about what the rookies bring to the conversation. It's about veterans teaching the rookies how to do things.

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Originally Posted by NemesisKING

This is getting even better, some of these guys are delusional and don't understand their limitations. I hope it makes them feel better, but probably will make them feel worse when it doesn't help.

At least we know that Monty hasn't lost the team. What ever he's selling, there still buying. If they really feel like they need to have a meeting about effort, i'm all for that. But if the meeting is about them believing they're a talented team as presently constructed, from top to bottom, and they should have a more wins than losses, then all of those "veterans" are crazy.

A quarter of this team shouldn't be on an NBA roster and if wasn't for the Hornets wouldn't be, this season. Another quarter though talented, are still in diapers and are learning on the job, but being held back by the other guys' lack of talent.

We've barely had Anthony Davis and never had Eric Gordon, it's about time we stop including them as a reason for losing. Eric Gordon hasn't really practiced with this team, didn't go on the bonding mission and has't played a minute in one win or one loss.

The reason we're losing has nothing to do with youth, because they're two guys barely out of they're teens that skew the whole age issue.

Everybody else with the exception of Darius Miller is either over 25 or has multiple NBA seasons under their belt and is technically considered a veteran by league standards.

It's a talent issue, It's these Monty-lite guys. These underdog type with out much talent that Monty has a soft spot for are the problem. This is the same coach that wouldn't give Marcus Thornton any playing time, barely gave Q-Pon minutes and got rid of Darren Collison before that, but he's telling Brian Roberts to shoot more.

So basically he's saying don't set up the offense or complete the pick and roll/pop.

Every time you get freed up shoot don't pass it to the open guy, Well that's the game he's been playing, so Monty wants to see more of that. A guy that requires picks/screen to get open to shoot, already is going to take more shots out of the flow of the game and away from guys like Ryno, Darius Miller and Austin Rivers.

Lance Thomas is another end of the bench guy who should never see the court, you're wasting minutes on him, he looks like they guy at the court that everybody is scared of when he's guarding them and you get out of his way when he drives to the rim or he's rebounding because you're going to get kneed or elbowed.

He looks clownish when he's trying to put the ball in the whole, getting blocked by the net or the rim or himself. He's a young Ryan Bowen and Ryan Bowen never left the bench until the game was decided, did you ever see Ryan Bowen in a Hornets Advertisement.

You give anybody minutes an license to shoot and open looks and they're going to make some shots. The fact is that the bottom of this roster should be ever changing this year and maybe next. You should be looking for young talent all over the place, "reclamation" projects.

Those former first round picks that were drafted by bad teams with poor coaching and given up on, even if there still on the roster of a team, if they have talent, they're young and can be had for cheap, go get them. Those guys we're giving minutes to right now will not get any better and are not apart of our future, why are we trying to actually win games with them.

This isn't about EG or AD at all or making a trade for a starting PG or SF, it's about the rest of the guys. Right now we have an Elite 3pt shooter at PF, to go with AFA,AR,DM,RL and i'm going to add GV, and again if you can't see that he's a back up in this league you're on another planet.

The rest of those spots should be constantly changing, trying to discover and develop NBA quality talent. And of that group all are roll players to various degrees, someone maybe come a legitimate starter but most with be backups.

If you're really trying to develop guys, thats where most of your minutes should go, if you're trying to Win while doing so, you need to clean up the bottom of your roster and add more talent to help you compete and than can push the current crop of youngsters.

Those Vets minus Ryno are apart of the problem, they don't know their limitations.

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Originally Posted by Davisistheman

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It's hard to miss a short story length post in a thread that is barely more than one page. What parts of it do you agree with? Anything you disagree with?

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Originally Posted by Kibner

It's hard to miss a short story length post in a thread that is barely more than one page. What parts of it do you agree with? Anything you disagree with?

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I'm trying to figure out which one of us wasted more of our time....

I think Monty is losing the team. Monty is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet the defense is brutal. Guards can't stay in front of their man, our bigs don't rebound, rotations are poor, effort is lagging throughout the game. The effort appears to look like a team tuning out their coach.

Well we all knew Vasquez sucked on D, Mason has kinda a rep for playing lazy defensively, Roberts I dont know nothing about but he's average defensively and IMO Rivers his playing like a defensive specialist when I watch the games I did watch. Showed mechanics while forcing his enemy to pass the ball. Vasquez will get traded, to who? IDK but for some reason I feel he will.

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

Pretty weird. I wonder what they even talked about?

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Who's dating which Hunnybee, whose turn is it to buy lunch, complaints about not getting paid enough, so an so is sitting on his $ss and making the same amount of money, Benson's cheap, New Orleans sux! everything except what do I have to do to get better.

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Originally Posted by Trell

IDK if I should take this as a joke or what. Answer this, how can you judge a ROOKIE still at the beginning of the year and his 1st year? Do you know how long it takes guards to reach there potential? The guy showed and still shows potential.

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take it however you please. i hope i'm wrong, and will be the 1st to say so if I am (and i'll keep pulling for AR all year).

Not a good enough ball handler? Must be because he's one of our best ball handler that I find that a peculiar statement.

I think all Rivers needs is time. He's going to be fine once he has an offseason under his belt and sees how he stacks up. Needs to bulk up and continue to work at it. He'll be just fine.

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

I think Monty is losing the team. Monty is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet the defense is brutal. Guards can't stay in front of their man, our bigs don't rebound, rotations are poor, effort is lagging throughout the game. The effort appears to look like a team tuning out their coach.

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Sadly, I agree with this :(. This was what I was afraid of, also Davis has been lacking effort when he was playing too. I pray this team will at least play a little harder...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUyh2yaZPno

Guys seriously get a grip... We all knew this was going to be at tough season. Okc needed 3 straight years worth of top 5 picks to finally make it as a 8 seed yet you guys want to reach the playoffs after 1??

This team, other than okc is in the best position in this league in terms of assets and flexibility. Calm down!

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Originally Posted by NemesisKING

This is getting even better, some of these guys are delusional and don't understand their limitations. I hope it makes them feel better, but probably will make them feel worse when it doesn't help.

At least we know that Monty hasn't lost the team. What ever he's selling, there still buying. If they really feel like they need to have a meeting about effort, i'm all for that. But if the meeting is about them believing they're a talented team as presently constructed, from top to bottom, and they should have a more wins than losses, then all of those "veterans" are crazy.

A quarter of this team shouldn't be on an NBA roster and if wasn't for the Hornets wouldn't be, this season. Another quarter though talented, are still in diapers and are learning on the job, but being held back by the other guys' lack of talent.

We've barely had Anthony Davis and never had Eric Gordon, it's about time we stop including them as a reason for losing. Eric Gordon hasn't really practiced with this team, didn't go on the bonding mission and has't played a minute in one win or one loss.

The reason we're losing has nothing to do with youth, because they're two guys barely out of they're teens that skew the whole age issue.

Everybody else with the exception of Darius Miller is either over 25 or has multiple NBA seasons under their belt and is technically considered a veteran by league standards.

It's a talent issue, It's these Monty-lite guys. These underdog type with out much talent that Monty has a soft spot for are the problem. This is the same coach that wouldn't give Marcus Thornton any playing time, barely gave Q-Pon minutes and got rid of Darren Collison before that, but he's telling Brian Roberts to shoot more.

So basically he's saying don't set up the offense or complete the pick and roll/pop.

Every time you get freed up shoot don't pass it to the open guy, Well that's the game he's been playing, so Monty wants to see more of that. A guy that requires picks/screen to get open to shoot, already is going to take more shots out of the flow of the game and away from guys like Ryno, Darius Miller and Austin Rivers.

Lance Thomas is another end of the bench guy who should never see the court, you're wasting minutes on him, he looks like they guy at the court that everybody is scared of when he's guarding them and you get out of his way when he drives to the rim or he's rebounding because you're going to get kneed or elbowed.

He looks clownish when he's trying to put the ball in the whole, getting blocked by the net or the rim or himself. He's a young Ryan Bowen and Ryan Bowen never left the bench until the game was decided, did you ever see Ryan Bowen in a Hornets Advertisement.

You give anybody minutes an license to shoot and open looks and they're going to make some shots. The fact is that the bottom of this roster should be ever changing this year and maybe next. You should be looking for young talent all over the place, "reclamation" projects.

Those former first round picks that were drafted by bad teams with poor coaching and given up on, even if there still on the roster of a team, if they have talent, they're young and can be had for cheap, go get them. Those guys we're giving minutes to right now will not get any better and are not apart of our future, why are we trying to actually win games with them.

This isn't about EG or AD at all or making a trade for a starting PG or SF, it's about the rest of the guys. Right now we have an Elite 3pt shooter at PF, to go with AFA,AR,DM,RL and i'm going to add GV, and again if you can't see that he's a back up in this league you're on another planet.

The rest of those spots should be constantly changing, trying to discover and develop NBA quality talent. And of that group all are roll players to various degrees, someone maybe come a legitimate starter but most with be backups.

If you're really trying to develop guys, thats where most of your minutes should go, if you're trying to Win while doing so, you need to clean up the bottom of your roster and add more talent to help you compete and than can push the current crop of youngsters.

Those Vets minus Ryno are apart of the problem, they don't know their limitations.

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even tho i lmao while reading most of this....it is pretty much on point...sadly nuff...still gonna root for my hornets tho win lose or draw

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

I think Monty is losing the team. Monty is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet the defense is brutal. Guards can't stay in front of their man, our bigs don't rebound, rotations are poor, effort is lagging throughout the game. The effort appears to look like a team tuning out their coach.

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Drivel. A 4-10 team looking to go 4-11 without 2 top players means Monty is losing the team? Deserving of more ridicule than this board allows.

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Originally Posted by 42

Drivel. A 4-10 team looking to go 4-11 without 2 top players means Monty is losing the team? Deserving of more ridicule than this board allows.

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^^agree....if theres 1 thing for sure i have faith in and believe is monty williams as the coach of our hornets..however tho i am not sold on dell demps as the gm as the future of this team

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Originally Posted by 42

Drivel. A 4-10 team looking to go 4-11 without 2 top players means Monty is losing the team? Deserving of more ridicule than this board allows.

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Guys overreact to much! You don't have faith in your team? If not you shouldn't be a fan of any team. And since im in a rush, no its not Monty or anyone fault!

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Originally Posted by 42

Drivel. A 4-10 team looking to go 4-11 without 2 top players means Monty is losing the team? Deserving of more ridicule than this board allows.

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Its not drivel. This team is 1-9 in the last 10 games. Injuries are part of the game. No excuse.

The effort defensively is terrible. Just terrible. Despite having the slowest pace in the league, the team has the worst defensive efficiency in the league. Fact is, they don't play hard consistently on that end of the floor especially when the offense is struggling. The bigs don't rebound well, the wing players don't rotate consistently, and this team is not even competitive on most nights.

Last season was much different. The team played hard, lost close games, were much better defensively and rebounding and this was despite having a ton of injuries to veterans. Guys stepped in and played hard. Its not happening this season. Its not just on Monty. The talent isn't that good either outside of the big 3 on this team. Alot of guys who should be clear backups are getting playing time, and they're stinking it up offensively and defensively.

There's evidence that this team doesn't play hard consistently especially when compared to last season.

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Originally Posted by Hornets78

Its not drivel. This team is 1-9 in the last 10 games. Injuries are part of the game. No excuse.

The effort defensively is terrible. Just terrible. Despite having the slowest pace in the league, the team has the worst defensive efficiency in the league. Fact is, they don't play hard consistently on that end of the floor especially when the offense is struggling. The bigs don't rebound well, the wing players don't rotate consistently, and this team is not even competitive on most nights.

Last season was much different. The team played hard, lost close games, were much better defensively and rebounding and this was despite having a ton of injuries to veterans. Guys stepped in and played hard. Its not happening this season. Its not just on Monty. The talent isn't that good either outside of the big 3 on this team. Alot of guys who should be clear backups are getting playing time, and they're stinking it up offensively and defensively.

There's evidence that this team doesn't play hard consistently especially when compared to last season.

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While this is true, you can't expect a team to do well with out its 2 best players - especially a team as young and new as ours is. It takes time to develop chemistry, and that is another big part of the problem. Take Durant and Westbrook away from OKC, and they don't even win a single game.

I do agree, however, that I'd like to see some guys playing more minutes in order to accelerate their development (Rivers, Miller, and Lopez come to mind).

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

While this is true, you can't expect a team to do well with out its 2 best players - especially a team as young and new as ours is. It takes time to develop chemistry, and that is another big part of the problem. Take Durant and Westbrook away from OKC, and they don't even win a single game.

I do agree, however, that I'd like to see some guys playing more minutes in order to accelerate their development (Rivers, Miller, and Lopez come to mind).

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Funny, People said the same thing about Rose.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Funny, People said the same thing about Rose.

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Rose is only 1 player. Take away Rose and Noah, and Chicago doesn't make the playoffs. Besides, that is a team of veterans, so it's a bad comparison.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Rose is only 1 player. Take away Rose and Noah, and Chicago doesn't make the playoffs. Besides, that is a team of veterans, so it's a bad comparison.

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The media, fanbase, and most experts had them completely written off prior to this season. A lot of their success is due to their coach. Now if you want a perfect comparion, then you can use Minnesota. Missing both Rubio and Love and yet they were winning games.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

The media, fanbase, and most experts had them completely written off prior to this season. A lot of their success is due to their coach. Now if you want a perfect comparion, then you can use Minnesota. Missing both Rubio and Love and yet they were winning games.

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That's a better comparison, but you are twisting the facts. Minny was doing well last season when Rubio and Love were healthy, but as soon as they were injured, everything went downhill. As a result, they completely missed the playoffs and ended up with a top-10 pick. That doesn't sound like a successful season to me.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

That's a better comparison, but you are twisting the facts. Minny was doing well last season when Rubio and Love were healthy, but as soon as they were injured, everything went downhill. As a result, they completely missed the playoffs and ended up with a top-10 pick. That doesn't sound like a successful season to me.

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I'm talking about this season. they were above .500 before Love returned. They played without Love and Rubio to start the season and lost Roy and Budinger in the process. There's no twisting of facts. The facts are in plain sight.