Game Thread: Pelicans (6-5) Vs. Jazz (5-8) 8pm CT

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11-22-2014, 11:25 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Thats true but if someone were to ask me, or any GM in the league who the better player was, I would think Jrue would be the answer 9/10.

It's because he is.
11-22-2014, 11:25 PM
HornetGuru

to update it Davis is:

2nd in scoring
6th in rebs
1st in blocks
3rd in steals
11-22-2014, 11:26 PM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

It's because he is.

I agree.
11-22-2014, 11:46 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

u sure he's top 10 in apg? that can't be right.

No he's not I looked at it wrong.
11-22-2014, 11:51 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

also he's 6th in rebounding, and he is only averaging 1.5 apg. Also he isn't 1st in SPG anymore, he's 3rd.

Yea I wasn't even factoring tonight into it. Just going off what I saw last night.
11-23-2014, 01:36 AM
Spec3333

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

I was wearing the socks, guys...

What hapened to the socks Friday night?!
11-23-2014, 02:21 AM
AnthonyDavis23

What a game AD
11-23-2014, 04:05 AM
dcoop

am I the only one who would rather Withey start?
11-23-2014, 04:06 AM
Pantazis76

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Originally Posted by dcoop

am I the only one who would rather Withey start?

His played well the last few games, but this could just be a run for him, i think Ajinca is a lot more consistent
11-23-2014, 04:07 AM
Kurgan

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Originally Posted by dcoop

am I the only one who would rather Withey start?

Hopefully yes
11-23-2014, 06:30 AM
smcgull

I can see that they are learning how to beat and put teams away.
11-23-2014, 06:36 AM
Asteptooslow

Jimmer and AD are awesome together!
11-23-2014, 07:12 AM
Big-O

Kicking myself for missing this game, of course the night I decide not to watch AD scores a career high. Maybe I am like the lucky socks, when I don't watch the Pelicans win. [emoji30]

Any update on EG's injury status?
11-23-2014, 08:41 AM
jcamp5

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I wonder if u could package ryno and gordon for a big expiring and a role player.

A couple days ago, I proposed Ryno and Gordon for Rondo's expiring and Jeff Green. Would you? I think I would.

A couple question though, if we did this trade, when would we be able to then trade Rondo? Could we sign-and- trade him in the offseason? I think New York would give away an asset for him, making the overall effect of the trade that much more impactful.
11-23-2014, 09:00 AM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by jcamp5

A couple days ago, I proposed Ryno and Gordon for Rondo's expiring and Jeff Green. Would you? I think I would.

A couple question though, if we did this trade, when would we be able to then trade Rondo? Could we sign-and- trade him in the offseason? I think New York would give away an asset for him, making the overall effect of the trade that much more impactful.

Would I? Yes, it gives u an expiring in Rondo so you can go after jimmy butler or draymond green, it also gives u a quality SF in jeff green who also has an expiring the following year that frees up cap.
11-23-2014, 09:11 AM
MichaelMcNamara

Zero chance Boston would do that. You proposal of Gordon and Ryno for Amare was more realistic. I think the Knicks would at least consider that. Celtics wouldn't even discuss Rondo and Green for a bottom 3 contract in the league and Ryno. Anderson has value around the league, but not that much. Seperately, the Celtics can move Rondo and Green for positive assets. They could probably get Hardaway, Jr. or McLemore and picks from Sacto or the Knicks for Rondo and something like Montiejunas and picks from the Rockets for Green. So, something like this:

Hardaway, Jr.
Cleanthony Early
Montiejunas
Nick Johnson
Three 1st round picks

or

Gordon and Anderson

Clearly, Boston would take package A. Gordon and Anderson, at best, could get you an expiring and a young guy who has marginal upside. Gordon's contract is that bad IMO
11-23-2014, 09:35 AM
iNolaNightmare

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Originally Posted by Spec3333

What hapened to the socks Friday night?!

Had to go to my girlfriend's homecoming. :(
11-23-2014, 09:44 AM
Kurgan

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Had to go to my girlfriend's homecoming. :(

Your girlfriend doesn't like gray socks? :hihi:
11-23-2014, 09:44 AM
iNolaNightmare

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Your girlfriend doesn't like gray socks? :hihi:

She's not a big fan of socks with pencils on them in a formal setting.
11-23-2014, 09:49 AM
HornetGuru

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Zero chance Boston would do that. You proposal of Gordon and Ryno for Amare was more realistic. I think the Knicks would at least consider that. Celtics wouldn't even discuss Rondo and Green for a bottom 3 contract in the league and Ryno. Anderson has value around the league, but not that much. Seperately, the Celtics can move Rondo and Green for positive assets. They could probably get Hardaway, Jr. or McLemore and picks from Sacto or the Knicks for Rondo and something like Montiejunas and picks from the Rockets for Green. So, something like this:

Hardaway, Jr.
Cleanthony Early
Montiejunas
Nick Johnson
Three 1st round picks

or

Gordon and Anderson

Clearly, Boston would take package A. Gordon and Anderson, at best, could get you an expiring and a young guy who has marginal upside. Gordon's contract is that bad IMO

I would also do the amare trade. Would free up a ton of cap.
11-23-2014, 10:50 AM
jcamp5

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Zero chance Boston would do that. You proposal of Gordon and Ryno for Amare was more realistic. I think the Knicks would at least consider that. Celtics wouldn't even discuss Rondo and Green for a bottom 3 contract in the league and Ryno. Anderson has value around the league, but not that much. Seperately, the Celtics can move Rondo and Green for positive assets. They could probably get Hardaway, Jr. or McLemore and picks from Sacto or the Knicks for Rondo and something like Montiejunas and picks from the Rockets for Green. So, something like this:

Hardaway, Jr.
Cleanthony Early
Montiejunas
Nick Johnson
Three 1st round picks

or

Gordon and Anderson

Clearly, Boston would take package A. Gordon and Anderson, at best, could get you an expiring and a young guy who has marginal upside. Gordon's contract is that bad IMO

You think Boston would take Montejunas, Johnson, and a late 1st for Green? That would be a terrible trade. I'm not saying my proposal was a take, but your counter is weak sauce. Who's the piece they want? Donatas with 6 point, 6 boards, 3 fouls, and 2 turnovers in 23 minutes? And is having his best year, by the way. I assume Jonson is filler?
11-23-2014, 10:52 AM
MichaelMcNamara

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Originally Posted by jcamp5

You think Boston would take Montejunas, Johnson, and a late 1st for Green? That would be a terrible trade. I'm not saying my proposal was a take, but your counter is weak sauce. Who's the piece they want? Donatas with 6 point, 6 boards, 3 fouls, and 2 turnovers in 23 minutes? And is having his best year, by the way. I assume Jonson is filler?

1st round picks have a ton of value. Note: Not one was traded at the deadline last year. If the Celtics could get a 1st for Green, they would take it. The rest would just be some low risk/medium reward icing on the cake.
11-23-2014, 11:09 AM
jcamp5

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

1st round picks have a ton of value. Note: Not one was traded at the deadline last year. If the Celtics could get a 1st for Green, they would take it. The rest would just be some low risk/medium reward icing on the cake.

I guess. I just can't understand GMs infatuation with first round picks. After the first few picks -- if that, even -- it's a total game of chance. I can't think of more than maybe 5 current NCAA players worth the known value of Jeff Green. It's like when people shat the bed when we made the Jrue trade. Crazy. And the twenty-seventh, or so, pick plus scraps is nearly worthless in my mind.
11-23-2014, 11:33 AM
MichaelMcNamara

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Originally Posted by jcamp5

I guess. I just can't understand GMs infatuation with first round picks. After the first few picks -- if that, even -- it's a total game of chance. I can't think of more than maybe 5 current NCAA players worth the known value of Jeff Green. It's like when people shat the bed when we made the Jrue trade. Crazy. And the twenty-seventh, or so, pick plus scraps is nearly worthless in my mind.

For them it would be more about shedding salary and getting an asset. Also, you have to consider that their own first round pick would be better if Green was off the team.

But I agree - give me a known quality player over a late 1st round pick any day. But its all about what phase your program is in. The Celtics probably believe they are 3-4 yrs away from being a contender, so Green isn't on that team when they become one. The guy they pick might.

If and when he gets moved, it will be for an expiring and a late first if they are lucky. Heck, they might only be able to get 2nd's
11-23-2014, 11:50 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

For them it would be more about shedding salary and getting an asset. Also, you have to consider that their own first round pick would be better if Green was off the team.

But I agree - give me a known quality player over a late 1st round pick any day. But its all about what phase your program is in. The Celtics probably believe they are 3-4 yrs away from being a contender, so Green isn't on that team when they become one. The guy they pick might.

If and when he gets moved, it will be for an expiring and a late first if they are lucky. Heck, they might only be able to get 2nd's

You make a great point that a team needs are based on where they are now or expect to be moving forward. Smart teams have a quality plan in place leaving room for flexibility. No need keeping an asset that will just expire and go somewhere else.

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