That's a pretty substantial benefit. This is a business. A bankrupt franchise usually ends up in a different market. Think Seattle is eager to have a team again?Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
That's a pretty substantial benefit. This is a business. A bankrupt franchise usually ends up in a different market. Think Seattle is eager to have a team again?Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
"Bower helped rebuild the Hornets, despite the troubles Hurricane Katrina placed on the club and the city of New Orleans in general. He took a giant step in re-writing Hornets history by trading franchise piece Baron Davis to the Warriors, then selecting guard Chris Paul fourth overall in the 2005 NBA Draft."Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
They liked the Jason Kidd trade too... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by say-what
Tyson would have been back by the time Wilcox gets significant PT.
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Originally Posted by NIH
well that and security of knowing the owner of the franchise wont be moving the team to a bigger market.
Why are you supplying facts? They mean nothing today!Quote:
Originally Posted by cjjr72984
Thats what I want to know....seriouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by NIH
I understand that, the Hornets said they were looking to improve the team on the court as well. This was being sold as a move to benefit us on the court as well as off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Again, why didn't we aquire a 1st round pick? OKC has them stockpiled. We were took to the woodshed and the basketball world knows it.
CP and Tyson were great on the alley-oop too. Wilcox better be able to jump. :p
There's a big difference. One of them could rebound and hold their own in the West. The other one has no proof in doing so. One had chemistry with the team...one's going to screw it up. Take Chandler out of the equation last year and we're lucky to get into the 8th seed. His numbers offensively won't jump out at you, but Paul and him had that ally oop down to a science. Hope you enjoyed it because you won't see that timing again. He was great at getting rebounds. More and more it seems like this organization wants to put more and more pressure on CP3 rather than keeping a good core of players with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
How would San Antonio have faired if they split up their big 4 that's been there since god knows when?
All 4 are pieces to the puzzle. One goes down...the team suffers. No Bowen...you lost your lockdown defender and the guy that slowly drifts into the corner. Duncan is Duncan. Ginobili...numbers go just a bit down.
My point being is you have to keep the main corps around. What are we really getting from Mo Pete or to this point Stojachvich?
I wish we landed a 1st rounder or 2, but so be it. we have a lot of flexibility unlike other teams still fighting to get under the luxury.
no they are glad we did a bad tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by ChrispaulCP3
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Originally Posted by NIH
You should go talk to Harvey Hornet. That guy could tell you a thing or 5 about this team.
I do not understand the problem. Tyson's main offensive production was alley-oops from Paul. How hard is it to catch and dunk a ball off a easy lob? Tyson had zero offensive game when he got here and developed zilch since.
He was a decent defender that got into foul trouble just about every game. He was our best rebounder, so that IMO is the area we will have to replace.
Lmao!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Thats what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmaninc68
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Originally Posted by Cp3superman12
Some laughs about how people are spelling his name?
In all honesty your saying it's better to be getting pimped, than to be raped in prison. Neither is a pretty thing.
I still see the same 20-10 finish (Final record 50-32) I was looking at before the trade.
I'd like to know where he got that considering Bower took over in October of 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...-bristow_x.htmQuote:
Bristow resigns as Hornets' GM; Bower named as replacement
By Jeff Latzke, The Associated Press
OKLAHOMA CITY — Allan Bristow resigned as general manager of the New Orleans Hornets on Saturday, citing health concerns.
Bristow, 52, took over as the Hornets' general manager in June, when Bob Bass retired. He helped oversee the Hornets' temporary move to Oklahoma City, which was prompted by Hurricane Katrina.
"The stress and strain of the last month took a serious toll on various health problems that I was already facing before the hurricane," Bristow said in a statement. "After consulting with my physician, it became clear that stepping down was the only decision that made sense for me and my family."
Gotta love facts, huh SFIA? :hihi:
Yeah but that fact didn't happened overnight, they must have realized a long time ago that we weren't in the biggest market so why did we kept overpaying aging FAs that would go nowhere but downhill at that point of their respective careers. With that strategy we gave ourselves no margin of error, no cushion whatsover. That is my biggest complaint with our FO.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
Hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by dvdman
I'm ready for HH's opinion on today's move.
And you know Wilcox is going to screw up because???Quote:
Originally Posted by Cp3superman12
Paul and Chandler had the alley hoop down to a science but teams had that play figured out this year.
I'm saying we should've kept Chandler until the end of the season. All we did now is throw in the towel. We might as well just tank the rest of the season...oh yes...by this trade's standard's...we just did.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
Yeah, but it still worked. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by cjjr72984
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Originally Posted by Keewon
The current state of the economy. The salary cap will probably be going down as opposed to up. This is a current event that was not being planned for when these deals were going down.
Why would we want to take on a guaranteed salary for 3 years if we're shedding payroll? Nobody wants picks. There's about to be over 40 good-great free agents over the next two years. Nobody wants money tied up in lottery tickets. This is flying over the heads of some...Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
Ding! Ding! Ding!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
1st rounders are assured a contract.
Chemistry always takes a big hit even through bench players. Now we're talking about adding someone potentially to the starting lineup who Paul has NEVER played with. He's not here for more than a year. He's here for salary relief. Figure a minimum of 5-10 games to get acquainted with the system...by that point we're pretty much out of it. I guarantee it. We are OVERLY dependent on Chris Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjjr72984
George Shinn.....SELL SELL SELL.
You're speculating. And we're in the stretch run. Ankle sprains don't usually get back to 100% until a player gets extended rest. Like the offseason. And even if he did, this team simply isn't good enough. We're not the Lakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIH
The sky is falling the sky is falling...please people put a sock in it...lets say we hadn't traded Chandler; along with that - his numbers didn't get better, we get to playoffs as a lower seed and lose in the 1st rd. What would all of you be saying then? Oh oh we should have traded Chandler at the deadline before his value continued to drop and we should have took advantage of getting a great cost cutting move while we had the chance...yeah its true!
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Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
They would probably trade us Denver's pick which will be low=small contract.
Fans don't want to hear about finances. No matter what amount of money the franchise spent to
1.bring in Peja
2. Tyson
3. the trade last year for the teenage mutant ninja turtle that added money to the roster
4. the money spent at beginning of the year (posey).
Can we give them a pass one time for trying to save money when the economy is tanking?
What position does Joe Smith play?
We're not the Lakers...we're the Hornets.. you remember? We're the team that has to fill fans with disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saints Fan in A
Hornets: 0 Champions but disappointment every year.
Where exactly was Shinn going to relocate that is bigger and will build up his personal bank account?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
KC? Not likely. While KC is bigger it is also overextended with pro sports, I doubt Shinn would make enough money in KC to go over the cap.
Las Vegas? They are hurting financially, they do not have an NBA arena, and Shinn will not be able to get funds pumped into his personal account to make going over the cap an option.
Seattle? They haven't fixed the problems that lead to the sonics leaving, I doubt Shinn would be welcome in Seattle with his hands out looking for funds.
To be clear, no city out there can finance Shinn's inability to make his personal business finances profitable. Shinn would be in this situation no matter the city he is in. Trading Chandler doesn't fall on the city or fans for not making enough money for the hornets ... somehow that is being lost on everyone in this deal.
do you really think two expiring contracts is the best we could have gotten for a pretty good 26 year old center?Quote:
Originally Posted by NBA Champs
It will be nice to have depth. TC was solid, but now that we have above avg. depth and will probably see less of Marks/Bowen I am happy.
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Originally Posted by ChrispaulCP3
repost...
Marks/Bowen were actually improving.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
IMO Bower got his pass today. No more though...if we get in a similar situation down the road in too short a time...I'm on board with his firing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidjock
center, sometimes forwardQuote:
Originally Posted by ChrispaulCP3
We'll have depth for 32 games and the playoffs, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
I never said that he couldn't jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by DroopyDawg
Ugh..... We have like 5 of those now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmaninc68
He is what he is right now. A pretty good "injured" center.
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Originally Posted by NIH
I think any city would move heaven and hell to get a team. If OKC can land a team and sell out (even for a limited time) that is probably not lost to an owner. Gov.'s would make plenty of tax exemptions, and other benefits for owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYKF Hornet
Lets just be happy we are under the Luxury tax.
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Originally Posted by ChrispaulCP3
They were improving your right, but they still were not close to what Wilcox and Smith give us.
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Originally Posted by NIH
As far as we know.
This is the mentality I've been talking about, its why neither of our teams feel pressure to win a title. Hell, we celebrate 1st round playoff wins here like it's the ****** Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias